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Scape i like your anylisis of the Cowboys, but I think you are wrong about Garret and Jones. Lefty I obviously don't agrre with your Flacco take, I think Flacco will be a new QB this year and make a huge jump from average - good to super - great. everything else i agree with. 

 Does he pound it in with Bush? Or does he toss it

Much better to pound Bush than toss it IMO.

Been really busy with work lately and haven't been able to put much into FF. I will say SM's analysis of the Rams is spot on. I do think they may suprise and go 8-8.
Sam

Lefty I obviously don't agrre with your Flacco take, I think Flacco will be a new QB this year and make a huge jump from average - good to super - great.

I'm shocked .... FOOT predicting that a QB will be great.  So, given the choice are you gonna take Flacco over Tannehill ?  Or is he just a little less great than the other 15 or so QB's you've predicted greatness for? 


Actually, I hope you are correct on him but I just don't see it. .... not enough WR's to work with for greatness.  Now if the Ravens jumped out and got CJ or Fitz I'd be with you !!!  SB Title as well !!

T-Hill will be better than Luck and RG3 this year and for the long haul, but Flacco and Newton will be(top 2). I think T-hill will be comarable to Tebow like fantasy points but with a much higher completion percentage and could end up in the the top 10 if he starts day 1. Which I think he will. Flacco turns the corner on his career and uses what I think is the strongest arm in the league stronger than Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Manning. The arm strength on Flacco has never been questioned, I think he will make the right dections. Harbough's brother the one who coaches the Niners is great with QBs ie Luck, Alex Smith. I am certain he has been helping brother by talking to Flacco about a few things. I also heard Flacco in an interview and his confidence has been through the roof. We will see but all of the Foot's intagables are there for a huge year for Newton, Flacco and yes even T-hill. I think they all will like you put it Lefty shock you. We can talk about this more once the season starts.

Some notes on the Panthers.

First is Cam, for whom a year of experience plus a full off-season will add up to better execution, which is good for fantasy. However, he knows that you can't spell "greatness" without a bunch of Ws. So don't be surprised if a little of his flash is supplanted by a trace of wisdom. In addition, Tolbert will probably put a dent in Cam's rushing TDs. Regardless, he's an elite option at QB, and because of his youth and size less likely to get injured than other rushing QBs like Vick.

The offensive line, which gave Cam a lot of time last year, has two new pieces projected to start, losing Travell Wharton and starting a rookie G; they will probably be able to provide similar protection anyway, but if the rookie Silatolu doesn't hold up his end on pass protection, it can hurt all the offensive players.

We'll see what plays out at RB, but if Stewart stays (he probably will, and the Panthers will let him walk after the year), only Williams looks moderately promising from a fantasy perspective. If Stewart goes, both Williams and Tolbert are interesting - for Tolbert, mostly because he should get TD opportunities. Tolbert should definitely be on rosters in PPR leagues.

Olsen should be a serviceable low-#1 TE with Shockey no longer there, and Steve Smith should still be very good, but they're looking at a lot of WRs. A diamond in the rough may be Jared Green, who never really had a lot of chances in college - his speed (not to mention his pedigree - he's Darrell Green's son) may be a nice fit with Cam. If he makes the team, and especially in deep leagues, take him.

Joe Adams may not be immediately fantasy relevant as a WR, but he makes the Carolina DST a lot more interesting. Adams, along with a couple of picks reinforcing the D-line in the draft and getting a great late pickup in a good cornerback, expect a big jump in fantasy value from that squad (and less of a pushover for opposing RBs).

T-Hill will be better than Luck and RG3 this year

All right, I'll go out on a limb here, and say that T-Hill will not beat out both Luck and RG3 in passing yards, rushing yards, passing TDs or rushing TDs. That's four categories - he won't beat the other two in any of them. Shall we make a gentleman's bet?

Name your stakes!

Ha, I just noticed now that my boy Jamie E. has T-Hill ranked 31st over Weeden. And Jamie's assistant has him ranked 30th over both Kolb and Locker. That means they too beleive T-Hill starts from day one. Even though they both have T-hill ranked way too low it still amazing to see him ranked at all on thoses guys lists. They usually adhere to the general consensus. Funny how when the Foot talks people are listening. 

Foot, I know we don't agree on much and I will even go as far as to admit these last few days/weeks I haven't added much substance to our little MBBRL thread/community.........but I think you bumped your head on this one dude. RGIII will outscore T-Hill this year. #1 RGIII is just better and #2 Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, Fred Davis>>>>>>>>>>>Devon Bess, Brian Hartline and Anthony Fasano..........matter of fact I'll make a "Footonian" prediction and say either or both Trent Richardson and Doug Martin outscore T-Hill this year.............not trying to be a doosh Foot just "Telling it like it is...gonna be".
Sam

<span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">No way Sam, you are wrong.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Luck is going to be a bust this year. Did you watch any Colt's game last year? I don't think you have cause you would know how bad that team really is. He has no help other than an old WR and a rookie TE and we both know how rookie ball catchers pan out their first years. Plus Luck has to learn a whole new system and play book. He will be awful this year.</span><br />RG3 as well is not ready for the NFL. Experts are likening him to Cam and what Cam did last season, but I promise you RG3 will not do what Cam did. Not even a tenth. He will be contained and defenses will use the same defensive play calling strategy that other teams used on Vick. RG3 IS VICK, same speed same arm. RG3 IS NOT CAM!!!! Cam has rare confidence not found in any QB I have ever seen before him. RG3 has colorful socks.                                                   <br /><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Now to Tannehill. T-hill </span><span style="font-family: Arial;">already</span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"> knows the whole play book that's in place! There is no way Luck or RG3 out plays him this year. Tannehill also has speed! He is actually faster than Cam Newton by quite a bit. In fact, Tannehill has all the tools CAM has minus the level of confidense, but it is still high! <br />                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Remember I said Ray Rice would be number 1 over AP, Charles, Chris Johnson and Foster. Well not to say I told you so, but did he or didn't he finish ahead of all those guys?      I'M TELLING YOU SAM. Everyone is missing the bus on these three QBs. Theyb are all wrong, everyone of them including you. T-hill will be the best of the bunch and I CAN NOT wait to be right on this one cause I am gonna rub this one in all your faces for a long, long, long, long time! Ha Ha.<br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial;">                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  </span></span>

Name your stakes!

A gentleman's bet has no stakes other than the honor of victory and the shame of defeat - but if you like, the stakes can be that the winner gets to pick the loser's avatar for all of January.

The bet is this: if Tannehill surpasses both Luck and RGIII in any of rushing yds, passing yds, rushing TDs and passing TDs in the regular fantasy season (Weeks 1 through Week 14), Foot wins; otherwise I win.

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Regarding bets - Boomer is still on the hook for this bet, which Foot accepted:

Alright foot I will make a bet with you that Thomas will score more fantasy Points than any RB you have outside of Williams.  If you win i will put on my motto that the Foot is the fantasy footbalGod for drafting RB  for a year.  and If i win you do the same.  


In fact i bet he has more fantasy points than Bush and Ronnie Brown and CJ Spiller combined. 

Treff, on the other hand, never signed up for the "Bear in mind, I came in last in the MBBRL" sign-off, so we can't really hold him to that.

gonna pick a few things from the team insights that i liked/didnt like here, but overall everyone offered some nice analysis on their chosen teams.

wil - gotta start here cause you are missing one of my potential breakouts at WR --- no mention of Brandon LaFell for carolina after he also gets to workout with newton all offseason?? I could see him flirting with 1000-1200yds and 6-8TDs pretty easily in his 3rd yr. Should be ready to develop into a legit threat as teams will look to shut down the real SSmith. Other than that, i think you did great for a team that you dont religiously follow.

scape - spot on (imo) with the dez over austin this year. about 2/3 of his catches went for 1st downs and and a litte under 1/3 went for over 20yds, gotta like that. not sure if dez can match austins ability to gain YAC (4.8avg, but he has more speed than that shows) like when austin exploded onto the fantasy scene -- of course, some horrible tackling by the Chiefs sure did help -- but that might change if dez becomes the focal point of the passing attack. And of course, everyone in football thinks JJones is WAY too hands on for an owner.

lefty - Ravens have been my 2nd favorite team for over a decade, since I am a former Madden video game player, I always loved their nasty DEF. I think that they are definitely in a transition yr, probably Lewis' and Reed's last, but they should still be effective, even without Suggs. He wouldnt be the first player they have replaced and still been a bad ass unit. They are a WR away from having an extremely explosive offense, as long as Torrey Smith continues to develop.

foot and joe up next, unfortunately i actually have to do some work (outside of fantasy fball research) at my job before i can finish, lol

 

Remember I said Ray Rice would be number 1 over AP, Charles, Chris Johnson and Foster.

Yes Mr. Foot, I do remember you said this and I do think you believed it with all of your sole..............and you were telling us how bad Chris Johnson sucked and how he wouldn't do squat................then you made the trade and all of a sudden he would be the exception to the "This guy just got paid" rule.................BTW, what did AP, Charles and Foster all have in common last year?
Sam

Luck is going to be a bust this year. Did you watch any Colt's game last year? I don't think you have cause you would know how bad that team really is. He has no help other than an old WR and a rookie TE and we both know how rookie ball catchers pan out their first years

not to pick on you here Foot, but didnt you argue in your MIA post that Thill will do great BECAUSE his undrafted WR from A&M is coming with him to Miami, where as you use the exact same arguement as to why Luck will be a bust? (rookie pass catcher; from same school)

Here's another gentlemen's bet for you (if you have any room left for more bets for '12) :

Luck/Fleener combo will be more productive than T-hill/Fuller -- even with their advantage of already knowing Sherman's playbook -- in yardage and TDs. Go ahead and put that one in the books already.

I think you are forgetting that the Colts picked up OC B.Arians after Steelers let him go, and arians knows how to get a lot out of young QBs. Even so, Id still take old man Wayne, Collie, Hilton, Fleener over Bess, Fuller, Gates, Fasano (you could put hartline here, but then you would have to take out Gates or Fuller) to develop a rookie QB with. At least Wayne knows what it takes and what it is like to be a WR1.

And i totally agree that Clyde Gates needs to be picked up in the late rounds of all 12+ team leagues. A lot of potential there with a QB that could take off running on any play. Similar to what DeSeanJ and Vick can do barring the injury/contract dispute that clipped their wings last year.

oh yeah, and Luck and RGIII are already their team's starters, T-hill will still compete with Moore to start week 1, regardless of being a first rounder, Moore could still be the wk1 guy.

Gettis and LaFell are both in about the same category - Gettis beat out LaFell for the WR2 spot in 2010, and is very fast, and never got to play last year after tearing his ACL. After Steve Smith it just seems a little crowded to me. I figure about 700 yds and 4 TDs for LaFell - just a catch or two per game off from your prediction, but enough of a difference to leave him on the WW bubble. I only mention Jared Green because the discrepancy between his talent and his opportuities so far leave room for him to be much better than his undrafted status might indicate.

On Tannehill starting Week 1:

In the past 20 years, several QBs have started Week 1 as a rookie, but most of them were taken #1 overall (or #2 behind another QB). Here are the other Week 1 rookie QB starters, and who they beat out for the job:

Kyle Boller - Chris Redman and Anthony Wright
Joe Flacco - nobody (Kyle Boller was injured and Troy Smith was sick)
Mark Sanchez - Kellen Clemens
Andy Dalton - Gradkowski (Carson Palmer sat out)

That's not just a small list, but weak competition to beat out. Matt Moore may not be a great starting QB, but he's a legit starting QB, especially compared to those other names.

The Dolphins have the luxury of building up Tannehill's confidence and experience by letting him sit and finding spots to put him in during the first few games. They could throw him to the wolves Week 1, but I think would be pointlessly counter-productive, and the Dolphins seem to be following a plan. My guess is that, barring injury to Moore, he starts somewhere from Week 4 at Arizona to Week 6 at home against the Rams (after which they'll have a bye to review and adjust).

Another guy to watch out for and the major reason miami didn't draft a wr high this year is Clyde Gates. He is one to watch out for and should be a nice sleeper this year. He runs like the wind and has been clocked at sub 4.35 40 speeds.

Foot, you seem to be hung up on speed and/or size. Have you met Johnny Knox? Fast "like the wind." Terrible receiver. Have you met Steve Smith. Too short to play WR in the NFL. Apparently no one told the flag-football, vomit king this yet?

RB- Murray is a stud. He's been as long as I've watched him going back to his freshman year at OU. Will put up huge numbers if he stays healthy. But that's another thing I've seen since he was at OU. He can't stay healthy. Draft him knowing you're going to have to get a good backup because he will not play the whole season.

Appreciate that insight, Scape. Nice.

QB - Joe Flacco is what he is and will continue to be a mid-level QB.  Nothing overall special, just a guy who will put up average stats and do the best he can with the team and system in-place.

Lefty, I actually think Flacco does NOT have to pass much because of the Ravens D, and Ray Rice. Let's face it, they still get 11 and 12 win seasons with this method. Until Ray Rice is less effective, or the D starts to blow leads, not much is expected from Flacco or the wideouts. Not that I'm in Foot's corner, but if the Ravens need to throw, we may see the passing game pick up more. But it's nothing I'm planning for from a fantasy perspective.

However, [Cam Newton] knows that you can't spell "greatness" without a bunch of Ws. So don't be surprised if a little of his flash is supplanted by a trace of wisdom.

Again, Will, love the honesty. I feel you're spot on. I think most guys will draft Cam too early expecting a repeat of last year.

 Monkey I think Luck and his TE will probably have more hook ups than T-hill and his texas tech wr exspecially considering he may not even make the team and considering the Colts TE will certainly start. So that would be a dumb bet. But i'll except Luck vs T-hill as far as better seasons to be determined by our MBBRL Board of trustees if the Dolphins are smart enough to start him from day one. You are right I may have contridicted myself on those two points, but I stand by my ball catchers usually struggle comment with the exception of AJ Green.

Where's Treff?