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.Makes terrible reads and throws some of his passes directly to the opposing team..

great....so we agree that he'd be an improvement for the Browns.


Irish, c'mon man....It's not just some bloggers starting a bunch of hooey.  This kid has risen up the charts for a reason, and the implication that it's just because Barkley stayed in school is laughable....I really don't think he'd sniff 1st round status if he was truly as bnad as your 2 sentence assessment of him......It seems Many well respected NFL people  disagree with your 3rd round grade on him for whatever reason....

I have not heard ANY expert say that the Browns are set at QB with McCoy.....and don't tell me H&H or I will lose all respect.   This "blind faith" that you and about 5 other people (if you include his mom) have in McCoy is just unhealthy....THE BROWNS NEED A QB!!  HECK KNOWS IT.  HOLMY KNOWS IT.  EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.....

Mayock went so far as to say the Browns SHOULD take Tannehill at #4 overall....and if they pass, he'll be taken no later than #8 .....This is a guy that talks to NFL GM's and scouts for a living....

Irish, c'mon man....It's not just some bloggers starting a bunch of hooey.  This kid has risen up the charts for a reason,

And, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas games are all on YouTube. I suggest you go watch them. He stared down receivers and made terrible decisions. In the Texas game, he had 3 balls dropped by defenders, he should have had 6 INTs in that game.

He only had 4 games in 2011 that he didn't throw an interception...

c'mon man, is it more likely that his 3rd round draft status is inaccurate, or he is a #4 overall draft prospect?


WATCH THE GAMES ON YOU TUBE AND THEN YOU TELL ME.

In fact I got in a debate with a Joe Lull from cleveland.com and he had the same arguments as you. He claimed to watch his interceptions and that 8 of them were deflections off the receivers and not his fault...so I watched every INT I could find and this was my notes from that:

Oklahoma State, first INT bad throw, defender beat the WR on the ball. Second INT, TERRIBLE decision to throw in the first place, might as well have handed the ball to the defense. Third INT, although tipped, it could hve been picked by the defender that tipped it in the first place, terrible throw. Should have had a 4th INT earlier in the game, defender dropped it.

Oklahoma, first INT, Terrible read, terrible throw, easy pick. Second INT, batted at the line of scrimmage, this can easily be a mark against Tannehill. i don't know how many balls get hit at the line(he had 5 in this game alone according to the announcers), but it can become viral in the NFL. If you watch it close enough, he was throwing into double coverage to begin with. Bad decision, that imho, he second guessed and the ball came out low. Third INT, flat out bad throw, easy pick for the defense.

Kansas State, INT in the 2nd QTR, terrible read, terrible throw, easy INT for the defender.

Texas, first INT, nice play by the defender, but bad read not seeing him by Tannehill. Second INT, stared down the receiver and threw it right to the defender, he couldn't help but catch it. Third INT, once again stared down the receiver, terrible throw directly to the defender.

Could have had 3 more picks, one in the first and two in the third, if the defenders could catch.

Joe said he would work up the picks and email me his analysis, but I instead sent him mine and never heard from him again...


Watch the tape...You will see that this is accurate.

I have not heard ANY expert say that the Browns are set at QB with McCoy

http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x13
41769442/Gil-Brandt-thinks-Browns-c
an-win-with-Colt-McCoy

I don't know maybe read this from an actual NFL Football mind...

Mayock went so far as to say the Browns SHOULD take Tannehill at #4 overall....and if they pass, he'll be taken no later than #8 .....This is a guy that talks to NFL GM's and scouts for a living....

Mayock is fun to watch and he has been a "draft expert' since 2005..so those 6 1/2 years or so of studying draft reports SHOULD make him the end all on him as a top 5 draft pick...BUT Gil Brandt has actually been studying college talent and really is a draft expert and has been doing it since 1960...


If it makes you feel any better, he is saying Tannehill is a top ten talent as well...But he LOVES Colt McCoy.

Tannehill is not even a first round talent . he has 19 starts at QB . he struggled against better college defenses . maybe in time he will develop . he will need to set & watch for two years . if he is there in the third round i might consider him .

Weeden is more mature . is more ready to play .i am no scout but the more i watch youtube he looks better to me . if it wasnt for his age .he would be ranked higher IMHO . he can still give you 6 years or better . i will take it .

still not sure if there is a improvement over McCoy in the college ranks for this season . maybe long term but not the short term .

baseball draft time . time to defend my LNU Cornfield title

bring it bitches

Weeden is more mature . is more ready to play .i am no scout but the more i watch youtube he looks better to me . if it wasnt for his age .he would be ranked higher IMHO . he can still give you 6 years or better . i will take it .

Maybe Colt McCoy can sit behind Weeden for a couple of years while he learns the offense until Weeden's arm falls off from old age...

Mayock is fun to watch and he has been a "draft expert' since 2005..so those 6 1/2 years or so of studying draft reports SHOULD make him the end all on him as a top 5 draft pick...

fun to watch?  really? 

no need to patronize....It's pretty much consencus across the board that Tannehill is a 1st round talant and a high 1st rounder at that....I was just pointing out the vast discrepency as compared to your 3rd round ranking.....

I never said that I would do this....I said if Holmgren see's something and we take him,  I'll get behind it.....

Honestly, I haven't watched much film of Tannehill, nor am I going to....i'll leave that to those who get paid to do it..  You can bet that if he becomes a Cleveland Brown I will though...


It's just fun for me to point out little things like the fact that you are among the .00001%  of football fans that think the Browns are "good to go" at the QB position...

I feel it's my duty to be the QB advocate for Cleveland at this point.....I'm not sure if I'm going to make my next target Tannehill or Weeden....Oh well who knows?  I got time to come up with something....Maybe I'll go on a Billy Volek crusade. 

It's pretty much consencus

or concensus....


i think it's both actually.

Mayock went so far as to say the Browns SHOULD take Tannehill at #4 overall....and if they pass, he'll be taken no later than #8 .....This is a guy that talks to NFL GM's and scouts for a living....

While this is true, Mayock has also admitted that it's his size, arm, and potential that have him rising up boards, as well as a lack of top tier QB's past Luck/Griffin playing a part in his rise. Mayock also readily admits that he isn't the kind of guy who can come in and put on a Cam Newton/Matt Ryan type rookie campaign. At every position it's best to be wary of the "fast risers" ala Poe, Tannehill, and Stephen Hill.

All I'm saying is don't let one scout liking a guys ultimate potential sway your opinion of him. Any scout will tell you that QB is the hardest position to scout, even with todays evolution of the scouting process. Tannehill may turn out to be great, BUT.... just beware of fast risers, that aren't NFL ready, as they are ultimately laced with bust potential.

IMHO the better bet, IF the Browns ultimately feel pressed to make a move at QB this season, is to wait til round 2 and take a guy like Kirk Cousins (scouts comparing to Andy Dalton). That way, they can still add talented contributors with the first two picks, and maybe put some more talent around McCoy to give him a real opportunity. It would also give them an option at the QB position.

But then again, I don't work for the Browns.....so what the H*#@ do I know?

Just my thoughts 

If it makes you feel any better, he is saying Tannehill is a top ten talent as well...But he LOVES Colt McCoy.

if it makes YOU feel any better, Todd McShay thinks highly of Tannehill as well, especially in regards to the Cleveland Browns....    You may not like my guy Mike Mayock, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and let you say anything bad about a world class talent evaluater likeTodd McShay!    So just don't even try.....

i thought it was cool that Brandt thinks Tannehill is a top 10 guy too...that was nice.

McShay???That is your comeback?????

OK, I'm done...


IT wasn't me saying he was a 3rd round talent anyway, What I said was ALL OF THESE OTHER PUBLICATIONS had him as a 3rd round prospect 3 months ago...NOW he is a top ten talent...in their analysis...

McShay???That is your comeback????

really?   you didn't detect the slightest little hint of sarcasm in the "world class talent evaluater" remark? 

OK, I'm done...

no your not....Somebody has to fight for McCoy!  C'mon Irish, you can't put it all on Crex and Colt's mom.....they NEED you!

really?   you didn't detect the slightest little hint of sarcasm in the "world class talent evaluater" remark? 

oops

Don't worry TD.... I got Colt's back!!!! 

random thoughts.....

Somebody call Clapton and Winwood.....it's thick with 'blind faith' up in here.


nice post RUTH...5 stars.  I agree with that.  Cousins would be good....I just want them to bring in somebody to REALLY challenge McCoy at this point.... 


All I'm saying in regards to Tannehill and Weeden is, if the Browns "go there",  I'll understand....



if I was calling the shots, i would take Trent Richardson at #4 without hesitation....The only way that I'd be cool with Tannehill, is if we traded down and landed that extra top 40 pick....


.....and I think the Buckeyes will pound the Jayhawks Saturday evening.....that's all i got.   nighty nite.

While this is true, Mayock has also admitted that it's his size, arm, and potential that have him rising up boards, as well as a lack of top tier QB's past Luck/Griffin playing a part in his rise. Mayock also readily admits that he isn't the kind of guy who can come in and put on a Cam Newton/Matt Ryan type rookie campaign. 

i went ahead and put in bold^^^ the real "nuts" of my arguement here. 












need i remind you that Colt McCoy is our starter?  do you have any idea how happy defensive coordinaters' around the league are when they find out McCoy's Browns are the opponant?   yeah it's like a vacation for them...trust me....no QB or offense in the NFL is less threatening.....

I think you can pretty much guarantee we will be taking a qb. I just hope the don't blow a first round pick on one.

no QB or offense in the NFL is less threatening.....

Anyone playing the Dolphins next year disagrees ;)  or the Colts last year :(

And I'll reiterate my argument here ad nauseum. Colt has nothing around him. So it isn't fair to abandon him just yet. A Right Tackle, a "good" run game, a legitimate WR, and it might be me alone here but I would add, a legit TE (J.Cameron needs grooming). IMO all these things the offense lacks.

While I do believe Greg Little will be a great receiver eventually, he was by no means ready to carry an offense on his back in his rookie season.

If I were running the Browns organization, and I do emphasize the IF part, I would worry about RB, RT, or WR long before I rush to replace McCoy. I just don't think it's fair to write off a guy working with that little talent around him, especially in a division with the Steelers and Ravens defenses.....not fair at all. I think if you give Brady or Manning(either one) that little talent to work with, you'll see their stats drop accordingly.

Say what you will, I'm not saying they won't address the QB position early, but I'm certainly saying, with the guys that will be left on the board at 4, that it is no lock to expect a QB. Despite how you feel about McCoy, until that 4th overall pick is turned in saying Tannehill, I'm not convinced the braintrust feels any differently than I do. And forget conventional wisdom or the popular perspective, Holmgren is definitely not afraid to "go his own way".

I went to school with joe lull, and he's a good dude, but i can't imagine he knows any more about football than i do.  And I would be very disappointed if we took Tannehill with either of our first round picks.  I'd be much more comfortable with Brandon Weeden.