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Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

Posted on: March 8, 2012 9:32 am
Edited on: March 8, 2012 9:39 am
The Lakers are facing serious problems on the road. (Getty Images)
By Matt Moore

The Lakers' loss to the lowly Wizards isn't causing panic. But it's definitely got the Nation of Lakerland in an uproar, inside and out. The Lakers' inability to win on the road where they are now 6-14 on the season is a huge black mark on their championship-caliber record. It makes two losses in two nights to lottery teams, with the Wizards truly one of the league's worst teams. It involved a 21-point blown-lead, a dagger from Nick Young, and Kobe Bryant shooting 31 times. Thirty-one-times for thirty points. 

So in this time of trouble, Mother Laker has of course came to them, speaking words of wisdom: "throw your coach under the bus and try and run the offense you want on your own." From 
Bynum publicly invited the bulk of the responsibility for the Lakers' second straight loss to a lottery-bound straggler from the Eastern Conference, but sources told this week that there is growing concern among some Lakers players as to whether first-year coach Mike Brown and his staff have the X-and-O wherewithal to fix a Lakers offense that is averaging its lowest per-game point total (94) since before the advent of the 24-second shot clock in 1954-55.

Brown's effect on the Lakers' defense has been undeniable, but sources say the team's ongoing struggles on the road -- with L.A. dropping to 6-14 away from Staples Center following a loss in Detroit and blowing a 21-point lead to the undisciplined Wizards -- have some veterans longing for a return to the trusty Triangle offense preferred by Brown's predecessor, Phil Jackson.
via Sources: Los Angeles Lakers players have concerns over coach Mike Brown's X's and O's - ESPN Los Angeles.

The report goes on to say:  
Sources told that multiple players have continued to meet privately since the initial team meeting to discuss running elements of the Triangle offense again.

"The players want to unify," one source with knowledge of the situation said. "They know how to win, and they want to fix this. I don't know if they can, though. "
via Sources: Los Angeles Lakers players have concerns over coach Mike Brown's X's and O's - ESPN Los Angeles.

Yes, because clearly, when I think about who should be organizing an offense behind their coach's back, I think of Matt Barnes, Metta World Peace, Andrew Bynum, and Steve Blake.

If the report's on target, that's an abject disaster for Brown and Lakers' management. Players considering overthrowing a coach's offense in favor of what they want to do, which happens to be one of the most complex offenses to run? It should be noted that no coach outside of Phil Jackson, with either Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant in his prime, or Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant, have been successful with the system. So basically this is a terrible idea.

This kind of talks is what comprises a coach losing his team, so the report's pretty volatile. It's been less than a full season for Brown and with the players unrest showing in both their effort and talks like this, the Lakers' most drama-filled season since Kobe Bryant's trade demand in 2007 is threatening to break apart one of the most dominant teams of the last half-decade.

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: March 9, 2012 10:13 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

The truth of the matter is that Phil Jackson's "sophisticated" Triangle offense during the Bulls glory years always reverted to "throw it to Jordan and everybody else get out of the way" when the game was on the line in the final minutes, while the same scenario took place when Phil went to the Lakers, except for the fact that Kobe took over MJ's former role.

Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: March 9, 2012 8:54 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

 I'm going to break it down for YOU. It's very simple actually. If you have one player, who takes a ridiculous percentage of your teams shots, and converts very few of them, your team is not going to win. Kobe can still manage to put up 30 PPG, but if it takes him 25-30 shots a game to do it (31 the other night) it doesnt mean anything. Look at his FG%, it is one of the lower conversion rates for a starting NBA SG. That tells me that only scores because he takes a lot of shots. You could give any SG in the league 25-30 shots a game and they'd average 30 ppg, looking strictly at points per game is foolish and misleading. Teams that win convert their opportunities efficiently, that requires players who play unselfish team basketball and Kobe has never been known for that. Stop defending Kobe, his horrible shot selection, and selfish play goes back further than the last 2 games. A team only gets so many possessiona, Kobe plays like they are infinite. You can tell by body language that the rest of the team is growing tired of Kobes BS. Why should they run up and down the court doing all the dirty work only to watch Kobe neglect open high percentage options to jack up a brick in traffic? He reminds me of watching AI near the end of his career, he still put up big points but it took him way too many opportunities to score. The Lakers would be better off with a decent PG and a less selfish SG, Kobe looks out for his own stats, too often at the expense of the team.

Since: Aug 8, 2011
Posted on: March 9, 2012 6:41 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

1st off-It's not going to happen!  So you can give it up. 
2nd- Your jumping the gun here.  Kobe is the REASON for them winning damn near every game this season. Besides the Offense being run by Kobe or him creating double teams for him to kick out a pass to a man open he's been a pinnacle reason for the following games:
With the Minnesota game (2 clutch shots to seal the victory)
The Toronot Raptor game (3 point clutch shot, Steal&Assist to MWP and final clutch shot to give the Lakers the lead and win)
All 3 40 point games
The Miami Heat game
I could go on, but you would get lost lol.

3rd- I'm not disregarding Kobe's performance in those 2 games.  But what are we talking about here?  2 games?  Really...No..Really?  Get you head out of your a-hole buddy. 

Last point- The Lakers/Wizards game the Lakers Starters outscored the Wizards Starters 80 - 51.  Damn near 30 points which tells anyone with half a brain that the Starters were playing amazing defense while producing on the offensive side.  Now lets look at the Bench on both teams:  Lakers 27pts to Wizards 65 pts.  This shows that the bench was not only producing on the offensive side, but was lacking on the defensive side which goes along the lines of why Mike Brown has been playing the Starters more minutes than normal and wearing them out.  The Bench can not survive out there by themselves and produce anything resembling an 1st rate NBA team. 

In conclusion:  How about you quit the Kobe hating and do a little research.  Yes, Kobe shot bad those last 2 games.  But to over exaggerate that Kobe is the reason for the downfall is naive and/or ignorant.  I don't care if he shot 50 shots, as long as he's putting up the numbers and handling the defensive part.  People are so fixated on certain stats don't mean anything except to nerds in the basements.
MJ averaged in his career 24 shots per game.  Nobody asked why he wasn't distributing the ball even though he was, some years only averaging 2-4 assists per game.  So how about we lay-off the panic button with Kobe because he's doing amazing considering all the adversity he's been dealing with this year. 

Since: Dec 27, 2006
Posted on: March 9, 2012 6:09 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

Matt Moore is an idiot to report this garbage via "sources". What a waste of a column.

Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: March 9, 2012 5:57 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

All that really need to be said if the simple FACT that the Lakers offense under Browns "system" rakes in points to the tell of the Lakers in Minnesota circa 1954 pre 24 second clock.
You can take Ben Howlands defense and Browns defense and take them where LA and winning teams will never see them again.
Brown should coach soccer instead of basketball and all the defensive minded fans (1 in 10) would "flock" to see a bunch of 0-0 shootouts every game.
I forget what year, but something like 1969 the Celtics averaged 116 shots a game, now that is basketball.  Lakers during the Magic years averaged over 54% shooting and scored 20 pts. more per game AND played defense.
To win by a 10 point margin you would have to limit the opponents to what 84 points a game, and that would represent a championship team, winning by 10.  Who would want to see a game with under 180 points a game, even though you were winners?  Princeton was a winning team, winning 40-36, whoopie, can't wait to see them play.
It's frightening to see the Lakers play this boring game of "watch Kobe win or lose it" when you see 2 big men shooting 15% combined better and not touching the ball.
I don't blame Kobe, he's not used to having his teammates scoring 10 points less per game than normal.  Someones got to shoot the ball or the points don't go on the board.

It would also help if people moved instead of standing around, but again that's the Brown offense, stagnent and boring.
I'd also put a "governor" on Kobe's shooting.  If he isn't shooting over 40% going into the 4th quarter, he can't shoot more than 4 times without having an assist.  Two assists, then 2 more shots.  Maybe he could pass the ball and stock up on shots if he got others envolved and got himself some assists.  I bet some big men would be moving more if they knew they had a chance to shoot it themselves. 

Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: March 9, 2012 4:00 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

 Actually I think the Lakers would be a great team if you swapped out Kobe for a more team oriented SG. They need an upgrade at PG, no surprise there, but this team should be able to win right now despite that. Kobe is singlehandedly killing this team, to say otherwise is foolish. He still wins them some games, but Id almost say he costs them more than he wins them. Those last two games were hard to watch, and Im sure his teammates are sick of watching the Kobe show. We are talking about the highest payroll in the NBA, their record is not reversed without Kobe, use your head and stop hugging Kobes nuts. The Lakers actually have a great record without Kobe, and if he were to miss some games Im sure everyone would see just how much the Lakers DONT need his selfish style of play. Brown is from the Spurs, where no one player is above the team / system, the problem is Kobe not Mike Brown.

Since: Mar 2, 2012
Posted on: March 9, 2012 3:52 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

who there, lets not get too hasty, kobe cannot fill the role of parker or ginobili by himself. he is no longer as fast as ginobili, much less parker. his field goal percentage currently is low. he is probably more of a richard jefferson; they are in fact similar except that jefferson doesn't have enough touches to generate the score. well i'll give it to kobe in that he can defend better than jefferson but not much better than ginobili. alls you need is trade kobe for two decent guards.

Since: Mar 9, 2012
Posted on: March 9, 2012 12:59 pm

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

what are you taking about trading kobe? man you need to understand that the lakers wont have a chance without him in the roster all lakers need is some dominant players in the backcourt to play with him, lakers should also start running the triangle offense again, because there not playing well offensively.

Since: Dec 22, 2006
Posted on: March 9, 2012 10:16 am

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

I'm going to suggest something that you Laker fans might not be able to handle. The Spurs won 4 championships. Mike Brown is a product of Gregg Popovich's system. Do you know what that system was when Duncan was in his prime? The offense went through the big man. When the double team came, Duncan would pass. His teammates would be well spaced on the court. Then they'd keep passing until they found a wide open man due to the double team. They are the King's of the extra pass. If you'll notice, nobody on the Spurs had high assist totals when Duncan was great. Do you know why? Because THEY ALL PASSED! Your offense should go through Bynum and/or Gasol. Kobe can fill the role of Parker/Ginobili by himself. I know the Lakers history is strong. But the Spurs system has been a great offense. You should look into it! 

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: March 9, 2012 8:14 am

Report: Lakers considering offensive mutiny

     Hindsight is always 20/20 but what LA (or should I say Buss and Mitch K.) should've done was kept Brian Shaw.  It just made too much logical sense.  They already had lost Shannon Brown, it's a lockout shortened off-season where training camp is cancelled, and with Phil Jackson retiring it was the logical move to annoint Shaw as the next HC for LA.  Face it, he knows the Lakers and the Lakers brass better than anybody.  Management made this mess. 
     People can say all they want about Kobe taking too many shots, blah blah blah.  Without him taking shots our record would be reversed.  Plus there's been many times where Kobe has tried to get Bynum going early, along with Gasol, but they didn't deliver.  Mike Brown (according to reports) went to Kobe and told him the offense is going to rely on him so what is Kobe supposed to do?  Have superstars to coach means Mike Brown can be lazy.  Lebron James' talent in Cleveland proved he can't coach offensively, which is why there were so many isolation plays for LBJ.  The same thing is happening in LA.  Mike Brown isn't smart enough to design offensive sets to get the ball moving and running plays for your top 3 scorers.  It's easier to go tell Kobe "Hey 24, go be great!" than it is to actually do the work and design an offensive set.  Mark my words, we will not win another title with Mike Brown as the coach.  He's a defensive mastermind, I'll give him that.  But what happens when we face a good team in the playoffs?  We all know in a 7 game series one or two of those games are going to come down to coaching..........right now, that's 2 losses for us.  If we couldn't beat the freakin' Wizards on the road in the middle of the week how in the world are we supposed to go to OKC and win a playoff game?

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