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Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

Posted on: November 11, 2011 9:16 pm
Edited on: November 11, 2011 9:23 pm
Posted by Ben Golliverdavid-stern-asleep

NBA commissioner David Stern's talking points have crystallized: the league has officially made its best offer to the players, the 2011-2012 season rests in the hands of the NBPA, the possibility of a canceled season is unthinkable, and the potential decertification of the union is a negotiating tactic that will backfire on the agents who are reportedly pushing for it.  

During a nationally-televised ESPN interview on Friday night, Stern laid out his arguments, point by point, explaining first why he chose to extend the deadline on the league's current offer past its original date of Wednesday.

"Well, we stopped the clock so that we could negotiate," Stern said, "and we came out of last night with a proposal [that is] as far as the owners could possibly reach to the players. That [proposal] provides a 72-game season starting Dec. 15. I'm very, very hopeful that the players and the union will say 'yes, let's have the season, let's begin it on Dec. 15.'"

Stern characterized the current proposal as possessing the largest concessions the NBA plans to make.

"The owners have moved to wherever they are going to move to," Stern said. "This is the proposal that's on the table. If it's not accepted, then we'll be substituting the proposal [with one] that the union knows about when the clock starts again, and it will be very far from where this proposal is."

The fall-back proposal is said to include a 47 percent revenue share for the players -- down from 50 percent contained in the current proposal -- and a flex cap system.

NBPA president Derek Fisher said on Thursday that the owners' current proposal doesn't do enough to compensate the players on system issues for their potential $3 billion concession on the revenue split, thus opening up the possibility of a lost season.

Stern would have none of that. 

"I refuse to contemplate the loss of a season," he said. "It's going to be too painful for the players and the owners alike. But [if it happened] we'll still be here, we'll pick up the pieces and do the best we can under the circumstances. That's not an eventuality that I anticipate or look forward to. It's all in the hands of the players."

For months, player agents have been pushing for the decertification of the union, a cry that drew more support following Thursday's negotiating session, when it became clear that the NBA's current offer was not substantially better than its previous one, which was rejected by an NBPA group meeting on Tuesday. Stern said the threat of decertification is a strategic ploy that would jeopardize the 2011-2012 season.

"[it's a move] actually calculated to, one, [serve] as a tactic to improve their bargaining position and, two, as making it even more likely that there won't be a season," Stern said.

If the union did decertify, Stern predicted the move would backfire. 

"If the union is not in existence, then neither are 4 billion dollars worth of guaranteed contracts that are entered into under condition that there's a union, Stern said. "So if the agents insist on playing with fire, my guess is that they would get themselves burned."

Asked if the NBA would employ "scab" players if the NBPA decertificed, Stern said simply: "I don't want to go there now."

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Since: Nov 29, 2006
Posted on: November 13, 2011 1:09 pm

Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

And plantation owner Stern delivered another lash, and exclaimed "What's your name?" And the grown men of the NBPA bowed their heads and replied....'Toby".

Since: Nov 12, 2011
Posted on: November 12, 2011 10:04 pm

Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

Let them stay out! It will benifit the fans!

-The owners do not lose 300 million a year.  The owners are using the same accounting technique that business like GE & others use to hide their profits.  If owners truly lost that much every year, do you really think everyone would be trying so hard to get a team. No way that any lender would give that much money up to a "losing' business.

-Players don't need that much money & neither do the owners. Let the league fold and let another league or leagues form. Salaries will go down and so will ticket prices. Owners can be replaced just like players. I pay to see Kobe...not Jerry Buss. Quit putting this all the players. Just like "most people would play for nothing' is true....well guess what??? Alot of rich men/women would be standing in line to create their own league and pay far less then the inflated price that the NBA owners/league rape people for.  The best players would still play...and we as fans would pay alot less to watch them. To hell with the NBA...its a rip off.  The best thing that could happen would be for the NBA to fold! 

- The owners know its true! If you just paid 400 million for a team, do you really want the league to fold?? Do you really think Jerry Buss wants the Lakers to longer exist?? Poof...thats about 1 billion of his money gone in a blink of an eye..


Do you think the Maimi Heat would be worth 800 million with some scab player. No It would be worthless.  No Lebron/Wade means you are just a rec ball team.

Sure the players might lose millions...but the owners would lose billions. Who really has the power???  You don't think that Lebron and Kobe and Durunt wouldn't still make millions with a traveling league?? Sure they would! Lady Gaga pulls in 400 million and she doesn't have a league. Heck, Brittany Spears still pulls in million. 

Let them stay locked out. We as fans will win in the long run

Since: Jun 12, 2009
Posted on: November 12, 2011 5:51 pm

Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

LePunk would be a great scab player...the guy has no loyalty...integrity.,...or heart...Maybe he would win a championship against another bunch of scabs.

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2011 5:10 pm

Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

"If the union is not in existence, then neither are 4 billion dollars worth of guaranteed contracts that are entered into under condition that there's a union, Stern said. "So if the agents insist on playing with fire, my guess is that they would get themselves burned."
The renouncing of the contracts will allow the amnesty the owners want without the obligation to actually pay those contracts. The owners still hold the leverage. They can wait. They can dump contracts. They can break the union and players and teach them about business practices. They can bring them humility. It only takes time. It only takes missed paychecks. It only takes foreclosures on the players' homes and cars. It only takes players having to live like the rest of us, needing that next paycheck to survive in a depression. Wow - decertify as you wish players. Either way this union is shattered.

The question that occurs in decertification and contract revocation is how to rebuild rosters across the board while maintaining a chance for parity? A hard cap is not enough because major markets are still more attractive to players with far better endorsement deals. Any attempt to restrict movement or balance rosters then does open the league to antitrust. The best hope the league has is to get the courts to rule the decertification as a sham.

Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: November 12, 2011 3:13 pm

Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

Please players and owners, do the right thing and cancel the season.  I want to see how our noble players will react when they miss their first paycheck on 11/16.  They will realize they can do without money because principle is more important than anything else  The players will feel good forfeiting their livelihood for the good of the agents.  Please decertify and give "scab" players a chance to participate.  They players know they don't need to get paid because the agents will take care of them.  What will be more ironic is if the players decertify, these same filthy agents will represent the scab players and will negotiate on their behalf.  We don't pay to watch the owners, but the players think we pay to watch the slimy agents.

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2011 11:57 am

Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

Owners got here by overpaying max contract players about $300 million a year more than the profit's about $3 million each for the "name" players in the know, the ones that make 10 times that much in endorsements over and above their guaranteed salary.

Those 2 dozen players, their agents, and their collective defacto pimps- Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher, are holding the NBA, franchise employees, taxpayers, fans, and 90% of the players that aren't affected by the "issues" continuing the lockout, HOSTAGE.   

They are attempting an armed robbery by holding the gun to their own heads. Owners must tell them to go ahead and shoot.  The NBA will get along just fine, without ANY and ALL players that don't want to make millions in an NBA that makes a profit.

A fool and his money are lucky to have gotten together in the first place.     


Since: Nov 12, 2011
Posted on: November 12, 2011 11:36 am
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Since: Mar 30, 2010
Posted on: November 12, 2011 12:52 am

Stern: Decertification will backfire on agents

Get replacement players for the time being their be crawling back.

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