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NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

Posted on: November 10, 2011 11:00 pm
Edited on: November 11, 2011 12:57 am
Posted by Ben Gollivernba-lockout

The NBA and the National Basketball Players Association met for nearly eight hours on Thursday in New York City, emerging at 11 p.m. Thursday evening to inform the assembled media that they still have not yet reached a deal on a new collective bargaining agreement.

The day's major news, though, came when NBA commissioner David Stern met with the NBA's labor relations committee and was authorized to make the NBPA a revised offer. Ken Berger of reported that the new offer is not the significantly worse offer featuring a 47 percent BRI share for the NBPA and a flex cap system threatened by Stern last Saturday, but instead is a new, slightly improved proposal based on the last two days of negotiations.

NBPA president Derek Fisher said after the meeting adjourned that the league's revised offer was not good enough for the players to accept immediately.

"We have a revised proposal from the NBA," Fisher said. "It does not meet us entirely on the system issues that we felt were extremely important to close this deal out."

Fisher said that the union would confer with its player representatives to determine their next course of action and is hoping to continue negotiations after that process takes place.

"At this point we've decided to end things for now, take a step back," Fisher said. "We'll go back as an executive committee, as a board, and confer with our player reps and additional players over the next few days and then we'll make decisions about what our next steps will be at that point. Obviously, we still would like to continue negotiating and find a way to get a deal done but right now is not that time."

Fisher called it "another long day" of negotiations and admitted that "a litany of issues" still remain unresolved. However, he did acknowledge that the NBA's revised offer was an improvement from its previous offer.

"On a couple of the issues there was some revision, some change since the last proposal that we saw," Fisher said, "but at this time it's not enough to entice us to try to finish this out tonight."

NBPA executive director Billy Hunter said the player representatives would meet on "Monday [or] Tuesday at the latest," but he made it clear that there is still plenty of ground to be covered between the two sides.

"It's not the greatest proposal in the world," Hunter said. "But I owe that, I have an obligation to at least present it to membership."

In addition to the six major economic and system issues -- including the mid-level exception and luxury tax structure -- that have been discussed this week, Hunter said, "another 30 or 40 issues" remain unresolved, including the age limit, player discipline issues, days off for players, and others. 

While Fisher and Hunter didn't get into too many specifics of the league's new offer, Berger reports that it includes a 50/50 split of BRI, as expected, but does not include significant concessions on system issues. The owners did improve their luxury tax mid-level exception offer by increasing its value $500,000 and extending its length for one year. These are generally considered minor adjustments.

Stern's account of the current situation was virtually identical to that presented by the NBPA, although he provided additional logistical specifics.

"We've had another couple of intense days," Stern said. "We made a revised proposal to the union which attempted to meet their concerns as best as we and the labor relations committee could. We did that in the context of the possibility that we could have a 72-game season starting on December 15."

Stern confirmed the NBPA's stated timeline for the next steps in these talks, saying that he was extending his previous deadline of Wednesday through to next Tuesday.

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"We understand that the revised proposal will be presented to the board of the union on Monday, or if travel is difficult, no later than Tuesday," Stern said. "Just as the clock had stopped on Wednesday as we negotiated through to today, it would remain stopped through [Hunter's] meeting with his board. Then, at that time, if we don't get a positive response the revised offer starting at 47 percent and based upon a flex cap would be our revised negotiating position."

He then struck somewhat of a conciliatory tone, thanking the union's executive staff for their efforts and attempting to paint the league's current offer as a compromise between the desired outcomes from both sides. 

"We don't expect them to like every aspect of our revised proposal," Stern said of the players. "I would say that there are many teams that don't like every aspect of our revised proposal. But I did tell Billy that that proposal has the support of the chairman of the labor relations committee, Adam, me and the labor relations comittee itself."

The talks between the two sides would be suspended until after the NBPA meets next week, Stern said, because talks would not be fruitful until the players have time to consider the merits of the offer in full.

"It doesn't make any sense to keep going here [because] we have made our revised proposal and we are not planning to make another one," Stern said.

The commissioner, when asked directly, refused to offer a prediction on whether the NBPA would approve of the offer.

"I would not presume to project or predict what the union will do. I can hope, and my hope is that the events of next week will lead us to a 72-game schedule, starting on December 15."

NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver said that the 72-game schedule would be made possible by pushing the NBA playoffs back one week.

Thursday's talks began at noon and marked the second consecutive day of negotiations between the two sides. The chatter throughout the day was minimal, except for a brief moment of optimism caused when former New York Knicks executive Dave Checketts told a Salt Lake City radio station that he heard an agreement had been reached, before later back-tracking.

The ongoing NBA lockout has now lasted for 133 days.

Since: Nov 11, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 4:03 pm

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

Not GOOD enough ???    Where do these athletically gifted individuals think they are entitled to 1 mil to 20 mil dollars a year to play a game.All sports salaries have become outrageous  and these players think all this money is owed to them. I personally am tired of these ungrateful people EXPECTING me to continue to reach deeper  into my pockets to appease them. I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore and I hope the freeze continues and they become decertified and unemployed. Then I hope it spreads to other sports and the owners finally grow some and stand up for what THEY have earned. All owners and investors have a right to a reasonable return to THEIR investments ( which the players invested nothing into) without raising all prices, everywhere through parking, clothing, tickets and every where you look to be able to try to make money and pay what these "entitled" babies expect to get. I say to tell these players to take 30% of all revenues and they will still be millionaires that earned it playing a game. The owners are the ones that create the league with the money they broght to the table and should be able to be in the black without extorting the average fan to do so. Do not tell me that these players are "entertainers" because if real entertainers took off or played willy nilly as often as the players do then those entertainers would not be stars anymore because nobody would show up  for their shows. Lets try talking apples to apples for a change and these tall players should be happy with whatever they can make by playing games instead of working for a living like you and me and should learn to appreciate what these owners have created so when their careers are over they never have to work again. Grow up and get real for once in your lives or seek alternate employment and see what you make there.

Since: Nov 11, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 11:50 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

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Since: Jan 9, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2011 10:53 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

Here is an interesting topic/question.  Without the owners promoting their player with marketing, etc. the player wouldn't be recognized.  Without the owners signing the player he wouldn't have a job.  The player has a chance to be a star and lives up to the reputation and gets a number of endoresment deals (even non-stars probably have some endorsement somewhere)

Do the owners have a right to get a percentage of the NBA Players endorsement money?  Let's discuss.

Since: Oct 28, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:33 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

I dont get why the NBA is proposing a 72 game season when there are lots of issues to work out of the CBA.

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:16 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

wooopty f'n doo.  nba is a joke

Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2011 1:13 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

Who cares? We have football, hockey, College football and soon, college basketball. Take your time dummie's. Every offer they refuse just makes them look worse than they already do.

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2011 12:42 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

If the union can see fit to send this to a vote it should be ratified and training camps can begin the following week. Players have the agents on one side demanding a decertification and on the other side the union leadership trying to get the best deal now and go play. The rumbling you hear about agents vowing never to sign a player with one of the hard line owners is incompetence at its best and malpractice at its worst. Every agent must want to listen to his player and negotiate where that player wants to play. If my agent said such a threat I would change agents.

I can see this coming unglued this weekend. I can see the players voting next week and it could go either way. Ultimately if the players want to play a single game in the 2011-2012 season they must ratify this CBA. If they want to punt the season they should vote against the offer. There is no way at this late date that the court process on an anti-trust case can accommodate the issues before the end of the season. It is on the players to play or renounce the season. Looking forward to a positive outcome on the vote.

Since: Oct 1, 2007
Posted on: November 11, 2011 12:29 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

hey players - don't want to play? buh - bye

Since: Oct 3, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 12:29 am

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

This reminds me of that movie "Groundhog Day".... same thing every day with the same actors playing the parts. The owners and players seem to be more disconnected from the reality of our country than those we have elected into power.... Which is really tough to accomplish. I have loved the NBA for many years but I stopped missing it a while back. Never thought I would say that.... Can't wait to see what's next..... Probably seen it already.

Since: Oct 1, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 11:58 pm

NBPA says NBA's revised offer is not good enough

Stern says Wednesday is a DEADLINE...I guess it wasn't...It was just a bunch of hot air....Then he said, it till Thursday, because that finished the session....Now he's saying he's extended it till next Tuesday???????

Stern you've lost all creditiblity with your deadlines....The players called your bluff and you refused to raise...So now the players now, they can just keep coming back ect.....The owners, for some reason, think its a good idea to keep listening to these stupid players, like they even know what they are talking about...

Stern and the owners, get your credibility back, tell the players to take the deal, no more changes, then you would see them decertify....There is no way in the world, the court is going to side with the players....

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