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NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

Posted on: November 10, 2011 1:07 am
Edited on: November 10, 2011 1:51 am
Posted by Ben Gollivernba-lockout

The NBA and the National Basketball Players Association met for roughly 12 hours on Wednesday in New York City -- blowing past a 5 p.m. deadline imposed by commissioner David Stern -- and emerged at 1 a.m. Thursday morning to inform the assembled media that they still have not yet reached a deal on a new collective bargaining agreement.

Ken Berger of reported that "no deal" was reached.

"We've agreed that we have stopped the clock and we continue to negotiate," Stern told reporters after the negotiating session concluded. "I would not read into this optimism or pessimism, we're just continuing to negotiate."

Talks will resume on Thursday at noon Eastern, Stern said.

Wednesday's talks, which began at 1 p.m., were the first since Saturday, when Stern imposed his deadline, telling the NBPA that the league's offer would get significantly worse if it was not accepted. Following an NBPA meeting on Tuesday, NBPA president Derek Fisher signaled a willingness to re-open negotiations and apparently was ready to accept the league's proposal on the all-important revenue split if the owners would include desired changes to system issues in their offer.

Following Wednesday's talks, both the NBA and NBPA addressed the media.

"Nothing was worked out today," Stern said. "We're not failing and we're not succeeding, we're just there."

Asked why the league has not reverted to its threat of a worse offer yet, Stern said it was still a possibility, although it would only occur after the current bargaining session was over.

"It was our understanding going in, at the end of the negotiating session, whether it ends today or it ends tomorrow, that's when our offer reverts," Stern said. "We're trying to demostrate our good faith and I think the union is trying to demonstrate its good faith."

"We've obviously been here for quite some today," Fisher said. "We spent a lot of time covering all of the issues that we still have remaining but we can't say that there was significant progress today, but we're going to meet again tomorrow... to see if we can continue to make the effort to try to finish this out."

Fisher was asked to comment on the NBPA's decision to concede a 50/50 revenue split -- down from the 57 percent the NBPA had in the previous deal -- in hopes that it would lead to the NBA improving its offer on system issues.

"I think what we stated yesterday was an openness and a willingness to come off our number," Fisher said, "and come closer to a deal on the economics and we would be willing to move on a lot of system issues that we expect from them. We never actually said '50/50 and give us the entire system.' What we've continued to say is that if we continue to make economic concessions on the BRI split, in exchange for that there should be more flexibility from the NBA and the league on the system and that continues to be our belief." 

NBPA executive director Billy Hunter specifically said that the BRI issue still remains unresolved and that no progress had been made on Wednesday in resolving specific system issues that continue to separate the two sides.

"Not today, no," Hunter said. "We are still discussing those issues along with a litany of other issues. I think that's part of the problem. There are just so many issues that haven't been resolved, it's pretty copious."

The chatter throughout the day on Wednesday took an optimistic turn. Berger reported that there is "growing optimism in the agent and front-office community that a deal will get done. One person briefed on talks [was] 'incredibly optimistic.'" Berger quoted another person familar with the negotiations who said talks were "moving slowly" and that the sides were "trying to get something done," but noted that progress has been "slow" even though there have been "no blow-ups."

The ongoing NBA lockout has now lasted for 132 days.

Here's video of Stern's comments.

Here's video of Fisher's comments.


Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:11 pm

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

Start watching Hockey, that will get them moving. I remember when Hockey was far bigger than the NBA. Hockey players went on strike one year and then the NBA took off and hockey went to secondary sport, the nba better be carefull. 

Since: Nov 10, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:09 pm
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Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 3:03 pm

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

We can see nowe that the NBA is a second class league.  I am sure that people will watch it when it is on but in reality nobody is missing it or going to miss it.   College hoops is starting and the NBA will be long forgotten.  The college game at any level is more fin to watch anyway.

Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 2:26 pm

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

No season? No cheating? No "Jordan rules" for the chosen few? - Good. ---signed, former fan since 2002.
if your a former fan then what is the point of reading a NBA article, I would think that you just read articles on your favorite sport.

Since: Nov 10, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 12:54 pm

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

The Mcdonalds comparison isn't valid in this situation. The Players aren't just the employees, they're the product. The product that people come to see. There's a reason why the Lakers sell out every away arena that they play in, it's the product. The Players have every right, and owe it to the Stars that came before them and will come after them to fight for their rights. To keep it in line with the Mcdonalds reference, lebron is not only frying the burgers, he is the Big Mac that's the biggest difference in this comparison.

Since: Nov 10, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 12:47 pm

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

The deal that expired in July was Players 57%-Owners 43%. Players offered to come down to 53%, 52.5%, 51%, and are even willing to come down to 50% if some system issues are tweaked. Either way you slice it the owner will end up getting more of the BRI % than they had on the previous agreement. The players have been the only side actually negotiating during this process, the owners are trying to go for the kill here.

Since: Feb 8, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2011 12:32 pm

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

When LeBum sits on the sideline and rots, we are ALL succeeding!

Since: Jan 8, 2011
Posted on: November 10, 2011 11:43 am

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

what is the current revenue split ?  the players wanted 57% and the owners were at 50%. what is it now?

Since: Aug 25, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2011 11:42 am

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

How can you make no progress in 12 hours of negotiations? (Not that I wanted them to!) I think the urinals are receiving the most attention ... as everyone's just drinking coffee and going to the can.

You would think that by now the NBA players would've figured out that concessions are negotiating tools and not hot dogs and sodas ...

The NHL is great, eh? No NBA means more NHL and NFL highlights.

Stay away, N-B-A! ... Stay away, N-B-A!

Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2011 11:30 am

NBA-NBPA talks pass deadline; still no deal

Why do people continue to compare what professional athlete's and entertainers do and get paid to the average's not the same thing.  As soon as someone wants to watch me do my job or a McDonald's fry cooks job then we can compare them and demand more money.  The players and their talents are the reason people watch the NBA, if it was just about watching basketball then the CBA or WNBA would actually be popular, but neither is because the quality and talent isn't there.  The players deserve a percentage of the revenue because they generate the revenue and don't think just because they take less money that ticket prices are going down, that's just more money to put in the owner's pockets.

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