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Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

Posted on: November 8, 2011 5:05 pm
Edited on: November 9, 2011 6:15 am
Posted by Royce Young

The NBPA and its player reps, as well as just players that wanted to be there, 43 total, met Tuesday in New York for a little more than three hours to discuss a myriad of issues that included voting on the NBA's proposed deal as well as presumably, decertification. Though Billy Hunter said there was "very little" discussion on the latter.

And the message was clear: The deal the NBA proposed is still unacceptable. But it's not too far off and could be something the players could work with if they got another bargaining session.

Billy Hunter put it bluntly: "They're still of the mindset that they're not going to accept a bad deal."

There was some presumption that the meeting would include discussion of voting on the current proposal. But Fisher nixed that. "Today wasn't about voting on the current deal as it stands," he said.

Hunter said he knows who the hard-line owners are and was asked about Michael Jordan's reported stance.

“I would give him the advice that he gave to Abe Pollin. OK? He should take his own advice,” Hunter said. Jordan's advice to Pollin of course was that if you can't make a profit, you should sell your team. So Hunter pretty much told Jordan to sell.

The 43 players represented all but one team, with no Celtics on hand. The Bulls also didn't have a player rep there (Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah) but did have a player, John Lucas III.

What happens at the close of business tomorrow if there's no meeting? Hunter said he's hearing from the "underground" and "gossip" that the NBA will cancel games until Christmas without a deal Wednesday. And supposedly, the offer will just get worse too. The players don't believe that, though. Hunter said he still believes the 50-50 will remain on the table past the deadline. We'll see, I guess.

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But a big takeaway from the press conference: Hunter also said that David Stern can expect a call either Tuesday evening or Wednesday morning to organize a new meeting. And in that, he's been given authorization from the players to move economically as long as the system can fall into a better place. What does that mean? I have no idea.

The ones Hunter mentioned though: repeater tax, escrow, sign and trade restrictions, "cliff" for teams that go into tax, mid-level for tax payers. Basically five of the six "what-if" proposals made from Saturday's ultimatum meeting. Find common ground there and you could find a deal.

But it all starts with getting another meeting before 5 p.m. Wednesday.


Since: Jul 17, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 10:10 am

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

Ok Brianball. I think you know what i am talking about man. Every employee/employer is a partnership of sorts. You can run your business anyway you want and it sounds great that your able to have employed 25 people. Which tells me your doing something right. It most business's like yours requires an accountant, secretary, financier, dept head. And you just dont do it alone. Without them you dont succeed as well. Right?? This is what i am saying about a union of sorts between you and your employees.

Seems to me also is that owners of all business are playing a harder hand on the employees welfare in respect to the current economy. You literally have become a #. And big corp are taking full advantage of it like the owners and NBA are doing to its employees.   

   And in this business (basketball) the owners are still profiting. This is the arguement. They won't show the profits! the balance sheets. Should they? Probably not.  Its not just about the economy. If they were not making any money(owners)...these guys would be selling. Or going under.(see LA Dodgers) Just like any other business. The problem is not the is the way the NBA and its owners are operating it.

Since: Oct 11, 2011
Posted on: November 9, 2011 11:30 pm
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Since: Mar 25, 2011
Posted on: November 9, 2011 11:17 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

Not sure how i feel about this. The bandwagon jumping Miami Heat fan in me (proud member since July 2010) wants to see a deal made. The part of me that rubbernecks as i drive by a car crash is curious to see the ramifications of a lost season. I would probably be mad for a short time, then start watching again.

Since: Mar 5, 2007
Posted on: November 9, 2011 8:01 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

Gona be some nice houses and cars on the market pretty soon when the checks start to bounce. Looking to pick one up for about 10 cents on the dollar! These arogant over paid chumps like Fisher will cave like a mud slide on a deforested mountain side any day now. Punked!

Since: Dec 6, 2010
Posted on: November 9, 2011 1:43 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

The owners have bent over backwards for years.  Its time for the players to make some concessions.  To have season tickets in the NBA you have to be a millionaire.  I go to 2 live sporting events a year.  Usually a Yankees vs. Rays game and a Buccaneer vs. whomever.  With 2 tickets, parking and food and beverage it comes to about $300.  That is about a quarter of what I make a week.  The path the players are on is unsustainable.  An owner of any business doesn't go into business to lose money or have the inmates in the nuthouse run the show.  And some Union or Government Agency does not have the right to tell any business owner how charitable they have to be with their finances!

Since: Dec 6, 2010
Posted on: November 9, 2011 1:33 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

News flash...the owner of any corporation is THE BOSS! The owner is beholden to the stockholders and I don't think any of the NBA Teams are openly traded on the DOW JONES.  So the owners in reality can offer pretty much what they want and the players can accept or go to Europe, China or Israel. I don' think anybody playing in the NBA is under paid.  Plenty that are over paid though. My life won't change without an NBA season this year or ever. College basketball is way more exciting and fun to watch.  For the NBA junkies I do hope the NBA works something out but from where I'm sitting it doesn't matter. 

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: November 9, 2011 1:30 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

I meant if there is a lockout...

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: November 9, 2011 1:29 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

As much as I hate how both sides are handling the lockout, the owners need to start making concessions because if there's no lockout, the players will just go overseas and play there

Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: November 9, 2011 1:22 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

The players are employees plain and simple.  As far as the league being a partnership with the players - BS.  There was an NBA before Kobe, there was an NBA before Jordan, there was an NBA befor Magic, there was an NBA before Wilt.  And guess what, there will be an NBA after this current group of players retire.  The fact of the matter is these guys are nothing more than a means to an end for the owners who are in control.  Sure the superstars draw crowds, but there will always be superstars.       

Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: November 9, 2011 1:07 pm

Players unwilling to accept deal, want a meeting

Actually, I do not pay hundreds for tickets or jerseys.  But you are a fool if you think that money is going to the player.  They get some; sure.  A player may get a cent per purchase, while an owner gets a $1.  So anything you purchase from the league; goes to the players AND THE OWNERS.  Hence, revenue sharing.  DUH....

Secondly,  it is a partnership.  The owners do not OWN the players nor are they a boss.  Instead as I already stated, they are partners.  Thus, the reason for the bargaining.  It isn't like you bargain with your boss every so many years about pay.  You may ask for a raise, but you have no bargaining power other than to leave.  Not true with the players.  They surely have the bargaining power to leave; but they also have the power to negotiate and mediate. As do the owners.  Hence a partnership.  The contract isn't about the owner owning the player.  It is a contract that says:  owner will do blah blah blah....and player will do blah blah blah.  The owners realize that if the players fight for a mediation; the owners will NOT get over 50%.  Why?  Cause they have no true paperwork proving they are losing money; thus they have nothing to warrant a 7% increase.  Which is why the players can fight.  I do believe the players will eventually agree to a 50/50 split or darn near it.  But, owners gotta give them something.  Such as 1% BRI for retirement of players...or similar in revenue sharing regulations.  They are not that far off.  Owners are just trying to get all they can and are trying to appear as the good guys.  But this year, for once, folks are seeing them for what they truly are.  Jerks.  Cause just like half the fans, owners think they own the players and they are the boss.  Thinking it is time for a reality check.

You can say that it is a business because the owners take all the financial risks.  But that is your definition of a business which isn't a correct definition.  Realize too, players take risks as well.  They risk the team they sign for, they risk their health, they risk their endorsements by selecting specific markets....  There is risk all around and they are not all financial.  Although I do agree that the business should make more money as they are taking a huge financial risk.  And based upon the numbers, they make about 30 times more than the players (this is due to 30 owners and 15 times more players; not the percentage owners like to confuse you with).  I'd say that was more than fair for their financial risk.  If an owner is making 200 million while a player is making 20 million; I do not see a reason why both can't be happy with the results.  If they are not spending wisely; it is their own fault.  Plain and simple.

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