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Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

Posted on: November 8, 2011 8:24 am
Edited on: November 8, 2011 5:48 pm
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By Matt Moore



Many of the owners don't want a meeting, but the few that do think there's some room to tweak things so the players can swallow this deal. 

Yahoo! Sports reports that some owners are open to meeting and discussing system issues on the periphery, not the main elements, if it means a deal can get done to save the season.  
As one ownership source told Yahoo! Sports on Monday night, “If there were a couple of tweaks needed around the edges – not fundamental deal points – I believe there could be a deal if everything else is agreed upon. But there needs to be a meeting with David and Billy for anything to happen.”
via NBA owners, players could talk before deadline - NBA - Yahoo! Sports.

Yahoo! also reports Billy Hunter is on the fence about taking a meeting. That's likely because his job is already in jeopardy over how this process has been handled and knows that if they meet which signals a readiness to accept the deal, and it falls through, the hard-line agents and players pushing for decertification will likely be able to remove him once the union reforms.

The report also backs up Ken Berger of CBSSports.com's reportfrom Monday night outlining hard owners who are still uneasy about the deal on the table now. This deal which lops off seven percentage points from the players' BRI, eliminating any advantage in that regard and implementing massive systemic changes isn't enough for some owners who still want more. In fact, ESPN reports that those owners are making their voices heard. 
A group of disgruntled NBA owners held a conference call Monday to express their displeasure with the 50/50 revenue offer commissioner David Stern has presented to the players' association, according to sources with knowledge of the call.

The deal, which the union sees as an "ultimatum" offer, calls for players to receive anywhere between 49 and 51 percent of basketball-related income, but the group of displeased owners, the sources said, are hoping the players reject it.
via NBA lockout -- Some NBA owners express displeasure with David Stern's 50-50 offer, sources say - ESPN.

Great idea! Let's not have a season so that the huge win you already have in your pocket can be scrapped for even bigger win. It's not enough to be up by 40 in the fourth quarter, let's make sure we can spike the football off the face of our opponent. That's what this comes down to.

It's not clear what peripheral changes could be made to the deal outside of some small amount tweaks in years, raise percentages or amounts regarding various elements like the mid-level exception. If a meeting is taken by both sides, it could very well detonate if the owners balk at any change that actually helps the union accept the deal, which is two percent less than they've sworn to accept, after dropping from 53 percent which they swore to hold at. You're sensing a pattern here, I suppose. 

Going to be a busy, acrimonious day in the NBA. Without games.
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Since: Mar 30, 2008
Posted on: November 8, 2011 6:05 pm
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

Most people do not watch the NBA until the playoffs.  The reason is because the players do not care until the playoff,  basketball is  flawed sport.  The players are free to play where ever they want,  every year their are new players ready to take their place.  That will not change.  The money will alway be the highest in the NBA.  It does not matter if the current stars take less to play in Europe or Asia.  It just makes them fools.  The Euro teams will not pay for long because they don't make money now.  Basketball will not replace soccer in the rest of the world.   Soccer has over taken basketball in the USA.   Good luck, waste the few years you have to make money. We know you will be broke shortly after you retire anyway.  It is ok.     We do not care.  I am sure their are a lot college players who do care and can't wait to take your place.   Bye




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 8, 2011 1:51 pm
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

For those who would watch scabs and pay the same to do so, more power to you. I think you are in the minority, however. Do you really think the NBA stars are just gonna retire? They will be playing somewhere, and thats where the fans will flock to. Im sorry to let you know that most of us are interested in watching the best players in the world, whether they play in the NBA, Europe, or China. Im not gonna watch inferior talent just because they play in what used to be the NBA. If the best players in the world arent there, the NBA is a minor league operation.  

With all due respect, I think you've got it all wrong.  First of all the best players in the NBA that you speak of are replaced every single season.  Your average fan today is not following the NBA just because Lebron or Kobe or Amare play for their team, the average fan has been following the Lakers or Miami or New York for as long as a life time.  The players change, year in and year out but people still follow.  The superstars retire, yet people still watch their team play ball.  Real FANS OF THE GAME will follow their team regardless of who's on the team or who's not.

What you're suggesting is so hypothetical it's not even funny.  You talk about NBA stars like they will play overseas on a permanent basis when in reality that'll never happen.  They aren't up-rooting their families, wife and kids to china for God sakes and they aren't going to leave their families for 6 or 8 months per season to play overseas.  They may do it once, knowing that'll be it and the NBA will be back in business after 1 season but that's as far as they'll go.   And if I am wrong you won't be following NBA stars playing basketball overseas, or at least not very often anyway.   What channel is the Chineese Basketball Association on?  The greek channel please?  It aint gonna happen.... ESPN isn't going to provide you with daily coverage on basketball overseas just because there are 5 or 10 star players that bailed on the NBA...... and good luck following anything live with time zones being so different, and as I mentioned so little if any coverage at all.

If the NBA holds out and the players lose their fight in court, the second the NBA starts up again and offers scabs and others to play, you'll feel like you never missed a beat because 80 percent of today's NBA young enough to still play will be knocking down NBA doors begging for the chance to play.  Crossing the picket lines 2 years later will be easy enough to do because the players crossing the line will far out number the players trying to stop them.  

Another thing people don't remember is there aren't enough jobs overseas to support even half of today's NBA players.  Overseas leagues will not dump entire team rosters for players not guaranteeing they'll be there the day after tomorrow.  They aren't going to destroy the leagues they've worked so hard building for foreigners looking to make a quick buck....

The funny thing is 90 percent of today's NBA players or more would be forced to take a much larger pay cut then 5 or 10 or 15 percent to play overseas.  So what are the players trying to prove anyway?  I don't get it.... take the 15 percent pay cut today, and move on...... threatening owners with an overseas option that'll never compare to the NBA in any way, shape or form isn't much for ammunition in a fight like this....

 



Since: Jun 4, 2007
Posted on: November 8, 2011 1:48 pm
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

Please continue the in-fighting.  The NBA sucks. 




Since: Jul 26, 2009
Posted on: November 8, 2011 1:22 pm
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

We have been hearing this a lot lately. I'm not going to hold my breath and will believe it when I see it.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 8, 2011 1:18 pm
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

The question you should be asking is ,"If the NBA players cant even manage to fill half a stadium, then how on earth would the league go on in the same capacity or anything close to it with a bunch of less talented scabs leading the show?" If I wanna watch 2nd rate basketball then I'll go pay $5 a ticket to watch Division 2 games. For damn sure Im not gonna spend 50 bucks just to get to MSG and then another $100+ a ticket to watch the same division 2 talent play in the scab friendly NBA...



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 8, 2011 1:13 pm
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

If the NBA players cant even manage to fill half a stadium, then why are they entitled to half the revenue? I personally think the NBA has geared rules towards high flying offense with no defense. To me, it really wouldn't matter who was playing so why not bring in scabs to play? Once the high n mighty superstars see the game going on without them, they will be more inclined to bargain. NBA owners should stick to their guns and realize that thousands of amateur basketball players would love a chance to play in the NBA.


For those who would watch scabs and pay the same to do so, more power to you. I think you are in the minority, however. Do you really think the NBA stars are just gonna retire? They will be playing somewhere, and thats where the fans will flock to. Im sorry to let you know that most of us are interested in watching the best players in the world, whether they play in the NBA, Europe, or China. Im not gonna watch inferior talent just because they play in what used to be the NBA. If the best players in the world arent there, the NBA is a minor league operation.  



Since: Jul 15, 2010
Posted on: November 8, 2011 11:44 am
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

If the NBA players cant even manage to fill half a stadium, then why are they entitled to half the revenue? I personally think the NBA has geared rules towards high flying offense with no defense. To me, it really wouldn't matter who was playing so why not bring in scabs to play? Once the high n mighty superstars see the game going on without them, they will be more inclined to bargain. NBA owners should stick to their guns and realize that thousands of amateur basketball players would love a chance to play in the NBA.



Since: Jun 13, 2007
Posted on: November 8, 2011 11:42 am
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

Dear NBA, NBPA and the hundreds of fans of the NBA,

Did you folks watch any football games this weekend?  OK St v K State? Northwestern v Nebraska?  How about the National Football League with thrillers in New England, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Oakland, New Orleans and Tennessee and the end of the St. Louis-Arizona game in OT?  Did y'all see how much better football is than basketball?  I agree if your team lost those games they were devastating, but if you had no rooting interest in the teams, the games themselves were incomparable.  Could the NBA ever give us a product like that?   No.

Do us a favor, either accept the deal the greedy fatass owners are offering you or both of you should go dissolve yourselves in fuming concentrated sulfuric acid.  On the other hand, if you players choose to decertify your "union" and become a trade association, maybe you can get your shine boxes and work the streets to keep our Nike and Reebok knock-offs clean.  Anyway, it all looks good for the rest of us to watch these fools scuttle the season over a pittance.  Cancel the season, if not the NBA and go away.  You guys forget that in the late 1970s and early '80s  the NBA once was a drug fueled league and the NBA finals were televised on tape delay after midnight.  That's how much most of us care about your product.

Sincerely,
Apathy

PS  The NBA.  Where amazingly stupid millionaires and billionaires make nothing happen. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 8, 2011 11:39 am
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

This season is officially over, I don't know why they don't just cancel it today.  The owners put an offer on the table the union refuses to even bring to its membership.  And considering the offer they refuse to accept is an offer many NBA owners don't even want on the table and are hoping the union rejects, it becomes pretty obvious the owners are holding their ground and there will be no season.

The only question now is will this lockout last just one season or will this get really ugly?

The only way I could be wrong and maybe their will be basketball this year is if Hunter allows his membership the ability to vote on the owners current offer.  If he does, maybe... just MAYBE there will be basketball.   But it seems to me like decertification is the only vote the union leaders want to see.... and they better pray to God they don't only get the 30 percent minimum to get to the next level in that process, they better get 70 or 80 or 90 percent because if not, the owners will see the players are buckling and they'll have them by the balls.

God forbid they don't get the required 30 percent to decertify...... that'll put the owners in a position they haven't been in yet.... they'll be in a dominating position and they'll destroy the players in the new CBA... 



Since: Apr 4, 2008
Posted on: November 8, 2011 11:26 am
 

Report: Owners could be open to system tweaks

Don't care.  Not watchig the NBA anymore anyway.


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