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Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

Posted on: November 7, 2011 6:40 pm
Edited on: November 7, 2011 7:12 pm
Posted by Royce Young

Derek Fisher, and thereby the union, rejected the NBA's proposal Sunday. But the question is, would the majority of players actually vote to accept it?

That's the subtle brilliance in David Stern laying it out to the public and then taking the message on talk shows, podcasts and wherever else Monday -- he's not trying to win the PR battle anymore. He's trying to talk directly to the rank and file players. He's begging them to consider this deal regardless of what the union representation and power agents are saying.

One player, Kevin Martin of the Rockets, says take the deal and run. Via
"If you know for sure [the owners] are not moving, then you take the best deal possible," Martin wrote in a text message to "We are risking losing 20 to 25 percent of missed games that we'll never get back, all over 2 percent [of basketball-related income] over an eight-to-10-year period [of the eventual collective bargaining agreement]. And let's be honest: 60 to 70 percent of players won't even be in the league when the next CBA comes around."


"When players are negotiating as free agents, we're always saying, 'Well I'm going to do what's best for my family,'" he wrote. "So now we're lying, because right now, losing money isn't helping our families at all. I'm not criticizing the fight our union is doing, because they have been in every meeting adding up to countless hours and have been breaking down every number possible. I believe in them and know they have the best interest for us. My opinion -- which is just one of 450 players -- is that if it comes down to losing a season and 100 percent of the money, we all definitely have to sit down and think about reality. That doesn't sound smart to possibly become part of the country's growing unemployment rate."
Kevin Martin: Efficient on the court and even better with his words. I'd say his WER (Word Efficiency Rating) was a quality 30.5 there. And he's not the only one. Glen Davis tweeted he'd take 51 percent. Samardo Samuels of the Cavs tweeted he was fine with 50-50. Shane Battier said on Jim Rome a couple weeks ago that 50-50 was fine with him as long as the system was solid.

And to add to that, Steve Blake has been calling players urging them to ask their player reps to push for a vote at Tuesday's manadatory rep meeting in New York. That's all players want at this point. The some 450 players want to have their voices heard. They don't want to be told what's best for them. They want to make their own decision. Agents and attorneys claim to be looking out for them, but we all know where their bread is buttered. The better the deal for the players, the more money they make.

David Stern detailed the offer very specifically in a letter to players. Would the majority of players vote to take the deal? Who knows. But enough have spoken out that should at least give it consideration.

Since: Nov 1, 2011
Posted on: November 8, 2011 2:47 pm

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

Finally a player with some common cents 50% is better than 52% of ZERO.  It simply math that Latrell Sprewell and his friends can't figure out.  It is difficult.........

Since: Nov 8, 2011
Posted on: November 8, 2011 11:01 am

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

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Since: Nov 6, 2011
Posted on: November 8, 2011 5:58 am

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

"That's all players want at this point. The some 450 players want to have their voices heard."

This is essentially what is all about, Fisher, Hunter and Kessler need to bring this deal to a vote and let the players decide if they want to accept it or not, not have those three saying "this deal in unacceptable, we are not even going to bring it to the players"....this is just wrong. I would bet that a big majority of the players would vote in favor of this deal.

And kudos to Kevin Martin, I hope there are many players out there who think the same. 

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: November 8, 2011 2:12 am

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

I am now a huge fan of Kevin Martin for the rest of his career.

I have mad respect for his perspective, wisdom and courage to speak the truth in the face of certain backlash, and doing so intelligently without resorting to name calling or rhetoric.

Kevin Martin sees the big picture, not just for himself and the other players, but for the game in general and the fans. He understands that the viability of the league is at stake. He understands the consequences that would fall on everyone involved with the sport if the season is lost is enormous.

If stubborn egos get their way the NBA will be ruined. It might come back someday, but it won't be the same. EVER.

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: November 7, 2011 9:55 pm

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

Over half the players are going to be in a worse off situation if the Union Dissertifies. The superstars will still get their money but over half the players will have a new value set to them that will probably be 20pct less. Each one of these players being talked into not taking a deal will risk dealing with the owners on a player to player basis.
I can assure you the owners want to reclassify the value of a player and if the union does break apart it will actually help each team that is obligated to a payroll they may not want. Literally you may have 9 out of the 12 players out on an island trying to get monies near to what they had made before minus the time missed.
The very first thing that will happen is no more guaranteed contracts so remember that before you decide not to take the 51pct.

Since: Mar 12, 2008
Posted on: November 7, 2011 9:53 pm

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

Give Martin credit for demonstrating the courage to speak out and face a potential backlash.

The national economy is in worse shape since the previous CBA was signed.  Unemployment and bankruptcies are up, and consumer confidence is down.  Many have lost their jobs and homes, while others have had their compensation frozen, their bonuses reduced or eliminated, or their hours of work cut.

The NBA operates in this economic climate.  A lot of people are doing with less or are facing uncertainty.  Discretionary spending, for things like basketball tickets, is precarious.

Most of the NBA teams are losing money.

Put this deal to a vote and let's see what happens.  Perhaps the viewpoints of players like Martin, Blake, Samuels and Battier are a lot more widely felt amongst the players than we know.   Those viewpoints are starting to come out.  A vote would at least resolve this matter one way or the other -- either an accommodation that neither side is completely happy with but which gets the league going again, or a long dispute with no games on the horizon and who knows how much long term damage to the product.

Since: Jul 26, 2009
Posted on: November 7, 2011 9:02 pm

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

Now if others have Martin's thoght process there will be a deal soon.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: November 7, 2011 8:26 pm

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

This shows that there are a few intelligent players around. Well said Kevin Martin. Some NBAers are all wound up about the 50% or the 51% not realizing how little the difference is once it is divided among 450 players. It works out to about $104,000 per player. Chump change for these guys. Worth missing a season over? Not a chance.

The question is are there 226 players with a brain (enough to carry a majority in a vote). Let's find out- let them vote and see if they look after the interests of their family or if they look after the interests of the agents and lawyers.

Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 8:23 pm

Kevin Martin OK with 50-50; Blake pushes for vote

wow 2 basic no factors in the nba are telling us what to do, im a laker fan and Blake needs to be traded ASAP, Martin isnt half bad but his ugly shot bugs me and im glad hes not a laker.

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