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Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

Posted on: October 12, 2011 11:41 am
Edited on: October 12, 2011 11:51 am
By Matt Moore

The players truly believe that they are the league. Not the franchises, logos, stadiums, coaches, management, or the game itself. And no, not the fans, though they do believe the fans are vital, obviously. No, they think the National Basketball Association is made up of players and it is the players who are the product. That's where the belief that they are entitled to more than 50 percent of the BRI comes from. And it's not bad logic, truth be told. It's debatable, but a sound starting place.

To that end, there have been discussions that, basically, if the owners are going to take away their league, the players will just start another. And lookee here, Amar'e Stoudemire's right on time promoting his new shoe (and throwing teammates under the deoderant bus, apparently) to chime in with where he sees things going if the lockout isn't resolved. From the New York Post: 
Amar'e Stoudemire said last night if the NBA lockout wipes out the season, he believes the players will form their own league instead of trying to catch on in Europe.

"If we dont go to Europe, we're going to start our own league, thats how I see it," the Knicks forward said. "It's very serious. It's a matter of us strategically coming up with a plan, a blueprint and putting it together. So we'll see how this lockout goes. If it goes one or two years, we've got to start our own league."
via Knicks Stoudemire says players will start own league -

 Setting aside the outright horror of that phrase "one or two years," it's not surprising that Stoudemire would go this route. He's an idealist, a dreamer (but he's not the only one). The players harnessing their own value and starting their own league sounds like a great idea. And it would be, if they had a consultant group to handle the entire process and a two year window just to get things operational. 

The big X-factors in this discussion are two entities. Nike and ESPN. Both companies have enough invested in the NBA and its players to create a paradox for themselves. They could benefit tremendously from putting the players, particularly those in the Nike stable, on a massive stage they themselves create, and have the industry connections to create a functioning league. They simply have the resources. At the same time, both enjoy a relationship with the NBA, one that they'll have to maintain after the lockout ends. They can't help the players here because they need the league and they can't help the league because they need the players.

Stoudemire did go on to say that he believes the lockout will end after the two weeks are lost, which is a nice thought. But after the events of the last week, it's hard to see either of Amar'e's dreams becoming a reality.

Since: Apr 7, 2009
Posted on: October 25, 2011 3:43 pm

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league's easy to say that when your not the one making the $8M a year. 

The owners of these franchises let the salaries get out of control, not the players.  The players should get 57% of basketball revenue, tell me who would go to a professional basketball game if you had a team full of Ronny Turiafs or J.J. Hickson's...NOBODY!  The players make these franchises period. 


Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: October 25, 2011 12:19 am

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

The players should go and make their own league.
The NBA and it's owners should agree to take the year off and start fresh next year with A) a college draft and B) free agent signees. They can wipe the entire thing clean and get contracts back to where they belong: in the 6 figure ballpark. There's nothing wrong with earning 500k while playing 80 basketball games and then getting 6 months a year OFF. What moron wouldn't take that deal?
Oh... so you can shoot a basketball and dribble it really well. Yeah--that's worth $8 mill.
Not anymore it aint!!
Get rid of the CBA. There's no need for a player's union. Just run the NBA just like any other company where the owners tell the employees how much they get paid to do a job. Pretty frikkin simple if you ask me.

Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: October 24, 2011 5:40 am

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

Stoudemire is an idiot.  I've been watching the NBA since the 70's.  I've followed the Phoenix Suns and Philadelphia 76ers my whole life.  Back then it was Alvin Adams, Julius Erving, George McGinnis and others.  In the 80's it was "the Greyhound" Walter Davis, Charles Barkley (Sixers), Moses Malone.  In the 90's it was Barkley, Majerle, KJ, and Iverson.  So hey Stoudemire, we follow the NBA TEAMS! Not your sorry money-grubbing rear-end! Get a clue! 10 years from now, I'll follow the 2021 Sixers and Suns.  And Amare Stoudemire will be just another roster footnote.  Good luck with your make believe league idiot.

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: October 24, 2011 1:05 am

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

Sorry but neither ESPN or Nike have the resources to start a new league run by the players. Look past that they do not have the long-term contracts with the arenas around the country. Look past the need to hire dozens of new trainers, coaches and sales personnel. Look past the temptation to dream beyond reality. The simple truth is that neither of these two wants to bankroll a loser. Yes, I said a loser. If the players will not play for $4.2M per year average the new league will lose money exactly like the old league. The new league will have to pay premium dollars to get arena time. The new league will not be the same draw as the NBA and will not have the ticket revenue to match the NBA. If the NBA loses money at 50% (break-even is 49%) then the players' owned league will be even worse - much worse. See the contracts in Europe. They do not pay their stars the average earned in the NBA.

So this proposal is just fantasy. It is the stuff of Hollywood and REM sleep. It is not practical or possible. Companies that risk the over $10B of value (Forbes) will want a return of at least 10%. That takes the players down to $802M per year or an average of $1.78M or 42% of what the owners are offering. See the point? This whole two year negotiation has been hung up on players' egos. They have the financial statements. They know the league loses $300M per year. They seem to think the owners don't care about a return on investment. Well the owners have consistently said they don't care to sign another contract that loses money. They would be fools to do so. That leaves the players as the . . . fools.

Since: Sep 7, 2007
Posted on: October 22, 2011 2:10 am

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

Now THIS ought to be fun to watch.  These guys aren't happy with over 50% of the take, and many can't seem to stay out of financial trouble after making millions playing basketball.  Can't wait until they have to handle getting players, training them, finding coaches, arranging for places to play and practice, hotels, meals, charters, dealing with agents and the media, paying employees, med issues and treatment, scouting, finances, etc., and then end up in a battle with the next generation of players over how much money they aren't making!  This could be a great lesson for all of professional sports.

Since: Nov 20, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 10:04 am

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

The NBA owners need to just need to hire some scabs and start the season with non pros. cut the ticket prices down and get the game on. When the NFL did it it was fun to watch. The NBA owners need to just keep moving on with out these players. Let them go to Europe there is simply not enough dollars in Europe to give these players what they are getting now. In time most will all return to the NBA.

Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: October 14, 2011 2:49 pm

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

This is the stupidest idea of them all for the lowly run down players to run their own basketball league. The players need to have to play somewhere first and second they need to pay for everything and third they need to get along with each other and all three will never work out so please Amar'e Stoudemire stop taking about stupid stuff that you don't know nothing about. Really Stoudemire has gotten more stupid since he has gone from the mighty Suns to the stupid run down Knicks but he is not the only one who has gone to the Knicks and the city of NY and gone stupid over there because they all are stupid up there anyways.

Since: Mar 30, 2010
Posted on: October 14, 2011 1:23 pm

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

so do it. quit makin' noise with your pie hole and form the league.  shoot, start with the 'and 1' people. NBA is over.

Since: Aug 25, 2009
Posted on: October 14, 2011 12:35 pm

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

If there is a higher power please let this happen.  This will be the biggest train wreck ever witnessed.  Ego's and bad business decisions galore.  So much comic material in one stop.

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: October 14, 2011 10:17 am

Stoudemire chimes in on an independent league

Great idea Amare!

Oh wait.....where is this "players league" going to play the games given that most of the arenas are OWNED by the team OWNERS whom you are going to rid yourselves of? Planning on playing in the local high school gym? Brilliant.

And if you think that negotiating with OWNERS is tough, go ahead and try to negotiate with every current and future NBA player, each with their giant ego's and agents, and each believing that they "deserve" a larger piece of the pie. Hmmmm, maybe you didn't think that through very well. Something tells me that guys like Lebron, Wade and Kobe aren't as "socialistic" as you may believe.

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