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What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Division

Posted on: July 9, 2011 12:17 am
Edited on: July 10, 2011 10:21 pm
 
Posted by Matt Moore



Talk of losing an entire season is a bit ridiculous to us. There's just way too much at stake. Money, momentum, fan support, money, loyalty, money -- it's just hard to imagine losing any games much less a whole season.

But it's a possibility. And with all this hardline talk going on, it seems like neither the players nor the owners are wanting to budge. There's incentive for teams to get a deal done and not just for the money, but because a year without basketball and more importantly, basketball operations, could greatly affect each and every NBA franchise. We continue with the Atlantic Division.

Boston Celtics

The Celtics have already started keeping an eye on the future past this core. Their trade of Kendrick Perkins for Jeff Green and the Clippers' draft pick were both aimed at the future. In 2012-2013, the Celtics have less than $30 million comitted. But their best shot at a title is now. Losing 2011-2012 ends the Big 3 era in Boston. Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen's contracts would expire just as their ability to anchor a championship team also goes the way of the dodo. Losing next season means they wind up with a single championship for all that money invested, all that excitement created. 

On top of that, no city needs the current structure to hold as much as Boston. The ability to outspend the small markets under a flex-cap, using its big market status combined with its superiority as a historical powerhouse are both tied to the current luxury-tax system. Savvy spending, reasonable contracts, creative maneuvers? Does any of that sound like the team whose current core is the product of Kevin McHale pitching his old team a favor?

New Jersey Nets

Mikhail Prokhorov did not get into this business to lose an entire season, the last he has Deron Williams under contract before an extension he hopes to sign him to, and then begin to build a contender under a system which negates every advantage moving his team to Brooklyn provides. But that's the reality that faces the Russian mogul.

Deron Williams is the big key for the Nets. They sent a fortune in the trade for Williams, with the understanding they would convince him of their grand vision and build around him on his next contract. It was a gamble. But they need the 2011-2012 season to convince Williams that the plan works, that the vision is in place, that they can succeed as the team Williams wants to commit to. Without the 11-12 season, Williams will end up entering free agency with his only time as a Net filled with failure. He may wind up with more wins with his team in Turkey than he won with New Jersey.

From there, Prokhorov would actually be better suited to a system that allows for overspending. If small market teams succeed under the new CBA, his advantage is leveraged. And in such a scenario, New York's power would be amplified within the market. If you're getting paid the same amount regardless, going to the team with the most cache is the best idea.

New York Knicks

Speaking of the Knicks, they have quite a bit to lose in this scenario. A harsher cap drives up the likelihood they won't be able to build effectively around Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, if at all. They're already struggling to fill in the gaps (as Donnie Walsh put it in his conference call after stepping down), with a lower spending ceiling that job only gets more difficult. Dolan has failed to succeed when he's broken the bank open. What happens when he can't spend his way out of a problem?

Bigger than that, however, are the risks of the actua lockout. Amar'e Stoudemire is an injury risk. Despite the fact that he's had no problems since microfracture surgery five years ago, scouts and execs are still hesitant about him. Stoudemire is talking about heading to Israel to play during the lockout. Any uninsured play could wind up wiping out time for Stoudemire which devastates the Knicks' prospects for contention. They need to have the stars available so build around, and another year to see what direction they need to go to build a complete team. Losing the season is a disaster. 

Philadelphia 76ers

Hey, look! They could spend a whole year thinking more about whether to trade Andre Iguodala! They haven't really done enough of that so far.

The lockout could actually help the Sixers on two fronts. First, their attendance was terrible again last season despite making the playoffs. They need the kind of financial overhaul the lockout aims to create. Second, losing the 2011-2012 season means they lose out on a year where they are on the books to pay Elton Brand, Andre Iguodala, and Andres Nocioni (remember him?) over $37 million next season. They can probably do without that with a fanbase that still hasn't bought in.

Elton Brand has an early termination option for 2012-2013, but he is unlikely to exercise it. Instead, the Sixers will be hoping for the amnesty clause to allow them out from under that final year of Brand's contract.

If any team could use all of the ramifications of the lockout, it's the Sixers, big market or not.

Toronto Raptors

The Raptors won't be winning the title any time soon. Their huge contracts won't be moving off the books any time soon. Their fanbase is still angry over giving Andrea Bargnani his extension and the damage done by Chris Bosh's departure.

So pretty much the Raptors are fine with however the lockout works out. Lose the season, they get Jose Calderon into a contract year, and have more time to come up with inventive ways to ditch Andrea Bargnani, plus Jonas Valanciunas is available to come over from Europe. A new salary cap may mitigate the uphill climb they face with their market and location.

They're pretty much fine with however this shakes out.
Comments

Since: Mar 13, 2007
Posted on: July 12, 2011 8:30 pm
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Division

oh by the way Boston sucks!!!
ah yes now the inner troll comes screaming out loud as the bafoon realizes his point is lost

the 6th pick could have been steph curry

and at this point in theyre careers (as someone who hates the celtics im sure you would agree) that steph is much better in the long term then KG at this point







Since: Mar 13, 2007
Posted on: July 12, 2011 8:27 pm
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Division

no whats amusing

"is that they used those 2 draft picks on crappy point gaurds (BOTH In the first round) in flynn and rubio while passing up on  darren collison and ty lawson as well as steph curry and taj gibson"


It would be much easier to "keep up" if you stated facts! the 5th pick was not from Boston it came from Washington! Minn recieved the 6th pick and the 28th pick Boston. oh by the way Boston sucks!!!
see now your nit-picking my argument

your initial post was that the wolves got shafted as if to say the wolves gave up an alot and got nothing in return

ive already disproven this notion several times

so at this point you can keep rambling all you want it doesnt change the fact that the celtics gave them a first round pick which could have been steph curry or they had the 5th and 6th pick (one of which was from the celtics)

they could have had steph curry with the celtics pick along with either rubio or flynn which were the point gaurds they went after

this would have accompanied al jefferson and kevin love





Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: July 11, 2011 12:00 pm
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Division

I've watched Andrea his whole NBA career and he has progressively gotten better each year..no reason to be stupid and deal him for next to nothing and watch him flourish elsewhere.He's not that guy you build a team around, he's just a piece of the puzzle...If Ed Davis can step it up this year or whenever the next season is maybe he becomes expendable...he was stuck behind Bosh the first of his career, and stuck playing C for the first part of his career as well..He's gone from 15, to 17, to nearly 22 PPG the past few years.. that's over a whole season.. not just a few flashy shots. I agree he should be a better rebounder, hes been around 5 - 6 a game for his career...and hopefully will improve.


Hey Noles: Nice to hear from another Raptor's fan who knows what he is talking about. Great points. My comments might have sounded harsher but we are actually on the same page. Bargnani is a piece of the puzzle for a team (Raptors or someone else). I would NEVER trade him for nothing. There are enough teams around that would be intrigued enough with Andrea that they might give up a pretty decent player or two for him plus you might get a high first round draft pick in 2012 for him- a class filled with talent. So a good player plus a lottery draft pick- I would move him.

Bargnani surrounded by talent like Gasol/ Dirk are would do ok. I even think he would learn to rebound and play tougher because his team mates would demand it and he wouldn't be so focussed on scoring all the time. In Toronto they are asking him to be something he is not: a go to guy, a clutch player, a Dirk. But he does have some skill. I think though that a change of scenery would be good for him. Although, Toronto is finally offering a change by bringing in a coach who demands defense. This will be make or break for Andrea. If he doesn't put more into D and rebounding he will be permanently attached to the pine.

I do like some of Toronto's young talent. Too bad we couldn't find some star power that WANTS to play in Toronto. I think the honeymoon with Europeans should be over. We have brought in way too many Europeans that have been duds.




Since: Jul 10, 2011
Posted on: July 11, 2011 8:20 am
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Division

no whats amusing

"is that they used those 2 draft picks on crappy point gaurds (BOTH In the first round) in flynn and rubio while passing up on  darren collison and ty lawson as well as steph curry and taj gibson"


It would be much easier to "keep up" if you stated facts! the 5th pick was not from Boston it came from Washington! Minn recieved the 6th pick and the 28th pick Boston. oh by the way Boston sucks!!!



Since: Mar 13, 2007
Posted on: July 11, 2011 1:56 am
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Division

pay attention to what the fact that the celtics gave the timberwolves the ability to have that awesome team

or the fact that managment sucks and didnt make it happen

guess what kiddo im saying both


try and keep up



Since: Apr 23, 2010
Posted on: July 11, 2011 12:59 am
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Division

lol the lockout won't "work out" for the Raptors, rather it will just 'not affect them either way'. When it comes down to it, they're a mediocre team with terrible management and a serious lack of foresight. They're in trouble for a while.



Since: Jul 10, 2011
Posted on: July 10, 2011 8:11 pm
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Divsion

i noticed you didnt refute the fact that McHale hooked up his old buddies in Boston. the point wasnt that Minn's management blows...pay attention



Since: Mar 13, 2007
Posted on: July 10, 2011 5:49 pm
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Divsion

T-Wolves got a boatload of talent back....really??? Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Jefferson (the only solid player on the boat) and 2 1st rd pick (1 was the 28th pick in '09) for a future Hall of Famer. McHale absolutely hooked the Celtics up! get outta here
no whats amusing

is that they used those 2 draft picks on crappy point gaurds (BOTH In the first round) in flynn and rubio while passing up on  darren collison and ty lawson as well as steph curry and taj gibson

you put half that talent around big al jefferson and kevin love and you would actually have a good tea.....


wait .... wahts that

OHHH the T-wolves are idiots and they traded al jefferson away....


well looks like theyre managment sucks worse then the celtics in the 90s

they could have had ty lawson big al kevin love and steph curry

FOR GOD SAKES THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE

the celtics gave them ample opportunity and the T-wolves screwed it up



Since: Jul 10, 2011
Posted on: July 10, 2011 5:25 pm
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Divsion

T-Wolves got a boatload of talent back....really??? Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Jefferson (the only solid player on the boat) and 2 1st rd pick (1 was the 28th pick in '09) for a future Hall of Famer. McHale absolutely hooked the Celtics up! get outta here



Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: July 10, 2011 5:12 pm
 

What teams risk in a lockout: Atlantic Divsion

Chris Bosh was a skinny little tooth pick when he came to Toronto, he was soft then..he's soft now.That's been proven time and time again.The Raptors were barely over .500 with Bosh, so who cares if he's gone for one..and who cares what he has to say.He flaked out during the drive to the playoffs and when they made it there he flaked out..couldn't handle the physical play.

Comparing Bargani to Gasol & Nowitzki is one thing, the skill set..the potential..but getting it done is a whole nother ball game.Andrei is on a rebuilding Raptors club.Gasol is surrounded by Odom,Bynum,Kobe just to name a few..and Nowitzki is surrounded by many good players as well in Terry,Kidd,Marion to name a few there.

I've watched Andrei his whole NBA career and he has progressively gotten better each year..no reason to be stupid and deal him for next to nothing and watch him flourish elsewhere.He's not that guy you build a team around, he's just a piece of the puzzle...If Ed Davis can step it up this year or whenever the next season is maybe he becomes expendable...he was stuck behind Bosh the first of his career, and stuck playing C for the first part of his career as well..He's gone from 15, to 17, to nearly 22 PPG the past few years.. that's over a whole season.. not just a few flashy shots. I agree he should be a better rebounder, hes been around 5 - 6 a game for his career...and hopefully will improve.


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