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NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

Posted on: June 30, 2011 3:13 pm
Edited on: June 30, 2011 5:22 pm
 
The NBA owners have informed the players that there will be a lockout. Posted by Ben Golliver.

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CBSSports.com's Ken Berger reports from New York City that the NBA owners have informed representatives of the National Basketball Players Association that they will be instituting a lockout, as no deal was reached on a new collective bargaining agreement.

This decision was expected, given the lack of progress during recent negotiating sessions. The two sides had until midnight Thursday to negotiate a deal that would have avoided a lockout. The lockout will officially begin at 12:01 AM eastern time. Berger reports that the two sides have not yet scheduled any future bargaining sessions.

Berger also reports that the players union "has no plans to decertify as of now and will continue to negotiate, according to a source." That decision will allow the two sides to continue negotiating.

Berger quotes Derek Fisher, president of the NBPA, regarding a "last-ditch proposal" presented to the owners on Thursday: ""It was met with the reality that we'll probably be locked out tonight."

He also quotes Billy Hunter, Executive Director of the NBPA: "I've been anticipating this lockout for the last two or three years, and now it's here."

The Associated Press adds these additional details.
Despite a three-hour meeting Thursday, the NBA and its players could not close the enormous gap that remained in their positions. The CBA was due to expire at midnight.

All league business is officially on hold, starting with the free agency period that would have opened Friday, and games eventually could be lost, too. The last lockout reduced the 1998-99 season to just a 50-game schedule, the only time the NBA missed games for a work stoppage.

The sides remained far apart on just about every major issue, from salaries to the salary cap, revenues to revenue sharing.

Players, who previously offered to reduce their salaries by $500 million over five years, considered the owners' proposal for a "flex" cap, where each team would be targeted to spend $62 million, a hard cap. Although the league said total player compensation would never dip below $2 billion over the life of its proposed 10-year deal, that would amount to a pay cut for the players, who were paid more than $2.1 billion this season in salaries and benefits.

Owners also wanted a reduction in the players' guarantee of 57 percent of basketball revenues.
NBA commissioner David Stern told reporters in a televised press conference that the players suggested that the two sides should "start from scratch" in their forthcoming negotiations.

"The players on the way out suggested to us that when we reconvene maybe that we should start from scratch. Maybe there are things that we should think about that we haven't thought about before. I don't mean to suggest [the league's current offer] is 'off the table' in any threatening way, it just hasn't done the job. The question is what does it take on both sides to get the job done."

Stern also said: "I'm not scared, I'm resigned to the potential damage it could cause to our league."

Here are live updates as they come in from New York City regarding the labor negotiations.

Yahoo! Sports quotes NBPA representative Matt Bonner: "We tried to avoid a lockout. Unfortunately we could not reach a deal."
 
CNBC.com reports that Billy Hunter, the Executive Director of the NBPA, said: "Their position was that we're too far away... the gap is too great." The site also quoted Hunter on the decision not to decertify the union: "I just don't think it's necessary."

The New York Post reports that Hunter expects the two sides to meet "in two weeks" to continue their negotiations. The paper also notes that the players association has requested "documentation" from the owners.

The Salt Lake Tribune quotes Utah Jazz guard Raja Bell on the union's resolve: "We're not going to crack."

This post will continue to update throughout the day as news breaks.
Comments

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 3, 2011 1:52 am
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

If the top 25 stars of any league just up and leave that ,league will take a hit.  So no THESE player, (Lebron,Kobe,Paul,Dirk,DWade,Rose,Mello,Howard etc etc etc) could not just up and quit and be replaced.  They're are plenty of yahoo fans but most of us would see a vast difference and would'nt bother with the product at all in the short term and many fans would probably leave for the  long term.  It could probably be corrected over time but not without a lot of money lost. 

Hypothetically speaking you might be right.  If the top 25 players in any league took off maybe the league would take a hit.  But the truth is the top 25 players in any league would never quick all at once...  the top 25 NBA players that for the most part are playing for max contracts wouldn't give that up for anybody....so there is no threat of that happening.

As for whether or not fans would still follow a league if that happened, I'm not sure they would stop watching for long.  As long as the owners were smart and made it economical for fans to attend games I think fans would still show up to games and spend some money.  And it wouldn't take long for these players to be replaced.... Almost every year 2 or 3 superstars come around....the league would be fine.

I think the site is hoopshype.com or .net or something like that... when you get a chance find that site and take a look at the salaries these NBA players are bringing in these days.  The great ones are getting a lot of money but I can handle that... my problem is when you look at the list of players making crazy money that don't deserve it you just might throw up.... there are GARBAGE PLAYERS all over the place making 3, 4, 5 million dollars or even more that don't deserve to making half of what they do.  That was ok when the owners were making a ton of money and the league was thriving but that's not the case anymore.  Whether people want to believe there are 23 teams losing money is neither here nor there.... the bottom line is the NFL is closer in popularity now to the NHL in the U.S then it is to MLB or the NFL... take a look at NHL salaries and you'll see they don't do nearly as well.  They also work with a hard cap, can be bought out at half to two thieds of their contracts and don't even get their money all at once...... the NBA needs a similar business model... something that works long term and something where the players benefit as the league grows.... right now the NBA is not doing as well yet the players haven't been forced to take a paycut of any kind.... revenues need to be tied to salaries....  the NHL started a few short years ago at a 40 million dollar hard cap and have now reached 64 million dollars, all in about 5 years of hard work and marketing that's paid off.  They missed a season before they gave in but it happened and made the game better...... the NBA will have to miss a season as well for this to happen.... my prediction is eventually the players give in... maybe it won't be a 40 million dollar hard cap, maybe it'll be 50 million... maybe it won't be an instant 33 percent salary paycut for the players,, maybe it'll be 15 percent... but they WILL give in.... because it makes sense and because they have to....
 



Since: Apr 1, 2009
Posted on: July 2, 2011 6:21 pm
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

Well, true in a way.  Players come and go in a transitional manner, aging super pass the torch to younger superstarts.  If the top 25 stars of any league just up and leave that ,league will take a hit.  So no THESE player, (Lebron,Kobe,Paul,Dirk,DWade,Rose,Mello,Howard etc etc etc) could not just up and quit and be replaced.  They're are plenty of yahoo fans but most of us would see a vast difference and would'nt bother with the product at all in the short term and many fans would probably leave for the  long term.  It could probably be corrected over time but not without a lot of money lost.  Again we agree that the owners had to make this move.  But lets not go overboard that's all. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 2, 2011 1:08 pm
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

 I can't agree that these NBA stars are'nt the product. You could go get Euros, second teir DI players and streetball phenoms and the product would be much much inferior. 

What I"m saying is players come and go but sports organaziations still survive.  There are hundreds and even thousands of kids world wide wishing they could play in the NBA so there is always talent the owners can go after.  Second of all what I'm saying is the true fans, 99 percent of them are fans of the team and not the players...... the team doesn't exist without the owners commitment and the financial risk they take.  THESE players can quit and others will replace them.



Since: Apr 1, 2009
Posted on: July 1, 2011 7:15 pm
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

I agree with your greater point RedWing.  I can't agree that these NBA stars are'nt the product. You could go get Euros, second teir DI players and streetball phenoms and the product would be much much inferior.  A bunch of Dina Radjas,Sheldon Williams, and Stephon Marburys.  The salaries and cap is out of wack and the league has become watered down some over the last 15yrs or so, but their are some very special talents in the Association.




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 1, 2011 5:24 pm
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

 The league is what it is because of marketing because of exposure not because some pinhead with tatoos can walk and dunk a basketball into a basket.

Exactly. Most people on these boards that support players don't understand that.  They keep saying the players are the product but don't understand THESE players are NOT the product..... all of these players could disappear tomorrow and the NBA with its genius marketing would do just as well with anybody else playing.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 1, 2011 11:46 am
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

Bro; if you have a unique talent, you can command just about any salary you want; or at least what the market will handle. That's Business 101 my man!

You're talking about business like you understand it.... I majored in business and work for myself so I have a pretty good understanding of it... let me  tell you something you obviously forgot to mention that's also "business 101".   Salaries everywhere on this planet except in the sports world are directly tied to profits and losses.  The second revenue decreases so do expenses.  Since payroll is by far the biggest expense an owner in the sports world deals with payroll must decrease if revenue decrease..... but in the sports world it doesn't always work that way. 



Since: Feb 3, 2011
Posted on: July 1, 2011 3:06 am
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

Why do people say players are overpaid? That must be the market because the owners are WILLINGLY paying them.
Because there are a lot of idiots in this country who are brainwashed by Republicans into siding with the ultra-wealthy against the working class and unions. Ironically, the ultra-wealthy don't give a damn about them. In fact, these greedy billionaires would take every last dollar from the idiots who support them if they could. The idiots are also jealous of how much players make. Let the flaming begin!



Since: Jul 29, 2009
Posted on: July 1, 2011 1:59 am
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

The look on those two clowns faces says it all! Between the white Alien known as Phil Silver and his boss, the always pleasant David Stern, these guys could bring the best party to a grinding halt just with their appearance. That instant downer that is the NBA Commish can't ever truly disguise his real feelings for the players, even when he's faking nice.He's a master of that. I tend to agree with Raja Bell's quote that the players won't crack. That's code for "Let's begin the season on Xmas so we can skip training camp and 2 meaningless months of basketball til some of my NBA brethren need some walking around money".



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: July 1, 2011 1:06 am
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

The owners can complain all they want and the fans can blame the players, but at the end of the day all the blame can go to the General Manager of every team for every stupid contract, for every overpaid player, for going over the team's budget, and for giving in to player demands. Thank you NBA management for screwing up the league.



Since: Jul 29, 2009
Posted on: July 1, 2011 1:03 am
 

NBA owners to players: lockout starts at midnight

Hey john69; you're an idiot! These cats that make it to the NBA have spent most of their lives trying to get to this level. As long as there is a public thirst for their talents and people spend cash on what these guys can do for your franchise, it's not changing anytime soon. You're right though dude; Exxon has NO cap on how much they can gouge the American public. Bro; if you have a unique talent, you can command just about any salary you want; or at least what the market will handle. That's Business 101 my man!


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