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Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

Posted on: June 21, 2011 3:39 am
Edited on: June 21, 2011 9:45 am
 
Posted by Matt Moore

It should be apparent by now that I'm not big on Jimmer Fredette as an NBA prospect. I've been trying to cool the irons on him since March. I've plugged him in as low as the late teens in mock drafts. I listed him in the "Buyer Beware" post. Basically, if you wanted to make the case that I'm a "hater," you wouldn't have to spend long cooking up the formula. In reality, I merely have concerns about his length, athleticism and adaptation to the NBA game. But in light of Ken Berger of CBSSports.com's recent post wrapping up the latest draft news, there's one scenario where Fredette can not only survive in the NBA game, but flourish. From the halls of Brigham Young to the streets of New York. From KB: 

If Toronto passes on Biyombo, some execs believe he could slide as far as 14-18, and the Knicks, with the 17th pick, are known to be high on him. But the apple of the Knicks’ eye is BYU sharpshooter Jimmer Fredette, and New York officials are trying to compute how far they’d have to trade up for him and what it would cost.
via NBA draft buzz: Kyrie No. 1 - CBSSports.com.

New York is the one place where Jimmer could not only become a decent role player (which is possible anywhere he's drafted, the kid can play after all) but develop into a legitimate star. While he'll never be Steve Nash, D'Antoni's system does reward players with quick instincts and efficient jumpers, which Jimmer has both of. D'Antoni has a knack for taking players of odd-fitting ilk (Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, Toney Douglas, Landry Fields) and producing effective players by employing them correctly in his fast-paced dance. 

Fredette's never going to win any foot races in the NBA, but by filling in on the perimeter in transition to find open shots and by learning to distribute by sheer volume of opportunity, Fredette can become something more than he would be otherwise in the NBA. It's certainly true that D'Antoni preferes accomplished veterans whose athleticism prevails, but there's something to be said of the nexus of talent where D'Antoni's machinations so often play. Yes, Nash is a daring specimen in terms of conditioning despite his back problem, but it's always been his guile that has set him apart, as it did under D'Antoni. Fredette can quite simply remain a threat at all times as he loops under the basket and around it, while aslo working off of Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony. Fredette in the pick and roll with either player could be deadly as Fredette's shooter's touch would deny the defense's ability to cut under the screen and dare the ball-handler to shooot. Instead, due attention would have to be paid to Fredette which would open up angles for the superstars on the roll.

Granted all this is dependent on Fredette actually falling to wherever the Knicks wind up picking on Thursday. But as New York continues to pursue deals to move up -- among the many teams that should be wary of Fredette's limitations -- New York provides the right situation for Jimmer to thrive and be the firecracker his narrative so desperately sells him as.

Plus, no one will be able to tell if he can't play defense in New York. Sorry, the joke had to be made.
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Since: Jun 21, 2011
Posted on: June 21, 2011 7:08 pm
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

let me ask you did anyone think Steve Nash was going to be Steve Nash when he was drafted. Give the white guy a chance.



Since: Jan 14, 2010
Posted on: June 21, 2011 1:09 pm
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

It's great tha Fredette fits into D'Antoni's system, but does anyone really expect him to be around that long?  D'Antoni was hired because his system was fun to watch..........when the Knicks had nobody......but now they have some good players and we all know that run and gun (with little to no defense) doesn't win championships. 

Pass on the slow white guy....and by saying he's not going to be Steve Nash well thanks....that's like reminding me that the sun is hot. 




Since: Mar 16, 2011
Posted on: June 21, 2011 12:57 pm
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

Jimmer is not slow.  He is not unathletic.  Look up the 2011 NBA Draft Combine measurements, and you'll see.  If just the strength and agility (read, quickness) drills are considered, Jimmer was ranked No. 1 out of all 53 players tested. 

Here's how ksl.com analyzed his showing at the combine: 
"Fredette's highlights:

Maximum vertical: 33" (t-9th among 11 measured point guards; 34th among 53 players measured)

Bench Press/reps of 185 lbs.: 14 (3rd among PGs; 13th overall)

Lane Agility: 10.42 (3rd among PGs; 3rd overall)

Modified Lane Agility: 5.11 (2nd among PGs; 2nd overall)

3/4 Court Sprint: 3.21 (10th among PGs; 25th overall)

When combining his ranking in all five above categories, Fredette ends up with a total ranking number of 77, which ranks 7th among point guards, and 12th among all players at the combine.

When combining his ranking in strength and agility alone (averaging lane and modified lane; no speed or jumping numbers), Fredette has a total ranking number of 15.5, which would be first among all players at the combine."

Keep in mind that Jimmer tore a calf muscle in his last college game against Florida in the Sweet Sixteen, a game his team lost in overtime after Jimmer lost his ability to stay in front of his guy and lost his hops and lost his touch.  And he still came within a foul shot of winning that game.  Jimmer's calf may not have healed completely before the draft combine because he reportedly was jumping 36 inches before the injury.

Note also that Jimmer ended up No. 3 on the all time assists list in his conference, averaging about 4 1/2 assists a game (if you don't consider his freshman year, when he didn't start and didn't get big minutes), which is about what almost all good point guards average in college, including Kemba Walker and a slew of others.  Nash averaged about 5 1/2 assists a game in college. 

And don't forget that Jimmer scored more points last year than any college player in the past 20 years.  That includes thousands of players.  And he did it despite being the focal point of opponents' defenses.  Some teams switched off players every few minutes to try to stop him, including future NBA players  such as Kawhi Leonard, and nobody could stop him until that last game with Florida, when he got hammered so hard that he eventually tore a calf muscle. 

Another point that people are constantly getting wrong is Jimmer's size.  He averages 1/2 inch taller than the average NBA starting point guard last year and he weighs five pounds more.  And Jimmer is extremely strong with wide shoulders and is adept at keeping his defenders on his shoulder.  I don't think New York has a chance at him unless the Knicks trade up, but chances are they will get Jimmered more than once.  Just hope he goes to the Western Conference so that the Knicks don't have to meet him more than twice a year in the regular season. 




Since: Mar 21, 2010
Posted on: June 21, 2011 10:54 am
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

Anyway,  Fredette DOESN'T make sense for the knicks one bit. I don't care if the Knicks draft a giant cactus, they need a defensive presense inside. The last thing they need is a short, slow defending "sharpshooter" who will have trouble creating his own shot in the NBA. And god knows we have plenty of shooters. When will Jimmer come off the bench for D'antoni? Before or after Andy Rautins.

Give me a break. Draft a euro big man or trade the pick for Dalembert. Fredette on the Knicks. Come on, use your head..... 


Boyce123 I could not agree with you more. Let some other team take Jimmer Fredette because the New York Knicks do not need him. As I posted back on Sunday on the Knicks' Fanatics Page here on CBS Sports.com the Knicks need an athletic big man that can grab and secure rebounds thus limiting their opponents second chance points. I am hoping that they take Markieff Morris from Kansas who is expected to go as early as 15 and as late as 18 which puts the Knicks well within striking to either draft him at 17 or trade up a couple of spots without giving up too much to get him. By the way for those who are interested here is the link to that Fanatics page detailing why I hope they draft Markieff Morris: .



Since: Jul 8, 2010
Posted on: June 21, 2011 9:59 am
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

@ The L'sCommish

it's past, not passed. I'll assume that was deliberate as well.



Since: Jul 8, 2010
Posted on: June 21, 2011 9:32 am
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

if you're going to spell something wrong on the internet as a joke, you have to explain in the same sentence otherwise you just look like an idiot for correcting grammar by misspelling grammar. 

Anyway,  Fredette DOESN'T make sense for the knicks one bit. I don't care if the Knicks draft a giant cactus, they need a defensive presense inside. The last thing they need is a short, slow defending "sharpshooter" who will have trouble creating his own shot in the NBA. And god knows we have plenty of shooters. When will Jimmer come off the bench for D'antoni? Before or after Andy Rautins.

Give me a break. Draft a euro big man or trade the pick for Dalembert. Fredette on the Knicks. Come on, use your head..... 



Since: Jun 1, 2009
Posted on: June 21, 2011 9:12 am
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

I purposely spelled it wrong, that was the joke... nothing gets passed these guys



Since: Nov 2, 2009
Posted on: June 21, 2011 8:53 am
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

Really guys? shut up about the grammar. -_- read the damn article.



Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: June 21, 2011 8:49 am
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

I love when people make fun of the article for writing and then spell things wrong



Since: Oct 16, 2006
Posted on: June 21, 2011 8:05 am
 

Why Jimmer Fredette makes sense for the Knicks

You are right, not just grammar but spelling


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