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Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

Posted on: June 7, 2011 12:39 am
Edited on: June 7, 2011 12:50 am
The Golden State Warriors and Philadelphia 76ers are reportedly discussing a trade involving Monta Ellis and Andre Iguodala. Posted by Ben Golliver. andre-iguodala

Two almost All-Stars reportedly find themselves in the middle of cross-conference trade talks. reports that the Golden State Warriors and Philadelphia 76ers are in early discussions about swapping guard Monta Ellis and forward Andre Iguodala.
The Golden State Warriors and Philadelphia 76ers have discussed a trade that would send the Warriors' leading scorer, Monta Ellis, to the 76ers for Andre Iguodala, according to league sources, including one with direct knowledge of Golden State's thinking.

One source stressed that completion of the deal is not imminent but that it has merits for both sides.
Ellis, 25, is on the books for each of the next three seasons at $11 million per year.

Iguodala, 27, is owed considerably more money: $13.5 million in 2011-2012, $14.7 million in 2012-2013 and $15.9 million in 2013-2014. 

Their current salary numbers mean that the two players could be traded straight up, if necessary, but other pieces could always be involved.

For all of his efforts to improve and do more, Ellis is pretty much still a one-dimensional scorer. There's no question that he can fill it up, though, as he was No. 8 in the NBA in scoring last season, putting up 24.1 points per game.

Iguodala is best known for his defense and all-around versatility but he can score and finish, too. Last season, he averaged 14.1 points, 5.8 rebounds and a career-high 6.3 assists, helping lead the 76ers back to the playoffs. He dealt with nagging injury issues for a good chunk of the season, missing 15 games.

Swapping players straight-up would be a home run for Golden State. The Warriors desperately need quality defenders, size on the wing and a resolution to the franchise's two most critical problems: Ellis and Stephen Curry both need the ball in their hands and both guards also lack the size and tools to defend a good chunk of NBA guards.

For Philadelphia, the logic is a bit muddled. Iguodala and Evan Turner, the No. 2 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, are a bit redundant, and Turner will continue to require more touches and shots as his career progresses. Adding Ellis in Iguodala's place certainly doesn't solve that problem. There's also the issue of position. Is Turner a 2 or a 3? If he's a 2, then there's no way that a pairing with Ellis would work, as Ellis is also a 2. If he's a 3, then Philadelphia is setting itself up for a serious downgrade when it comes to perimeter physicality.

Golden State has proven that it's willing to spend money, so taking on the extra money owed to Iguodala isn't that big of an issue. In the new owners' eyes, that investment would pay for itself if he teams with Curry and David Lee to help the Warriors reach the postseason for the first time since 2006-2007.

For the 76ers, getting out of Iguodala's contract is going to have to happen at some point. With young talent like Turner, Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young in the pipeline, they'll be cutting some big checks in the relatively near future. They're not in panic cost-cutting mode yet though. They can continue to proceed deliberately.

While receiving Ellis in return for Iguodala is good value on paper, it makes far less sense given the 76ers' roster construction. Golden State likely needs to sweeten this one, or it will fizzle.

Since: Aug 16, 2009
Posted on: June 8, 2011 11:38 am

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

I agree with you there. I'm not opposed to trading Iggy. However, I think if we do trade him it needs to be for a center so then we can use our draft pick on a small foward (like Marcus Morris for instance). Otherwise, we'll be left with Turner playing 3 and Meeks at 2 which probably won't work defensively.

I also agree with drafting Faried. I would definitely like that pick. He's a little undersized, but the energy he brings with his rebounding and defense would definitely help our team a lot. People say he didn't face good enough competition at Morehead State, but we all saw how he dominated the Lousiville game. I look at how huge Joel Anthony has been for the Heat and I think Faried could be a similar player for us.

Since: Jul 23, 2008
Posted on: June 8, 2011 9:30 am

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

I hear you Dwide, and sincerely, I wasn't trying to be an a$$, it's just I think Iggy flat out sucks. He is a good to great defender, but when we really need him to shut down someone of higher caliber, it just doesn't happen. For years the Sixers had absolutely no shooters and Sammy D. People in Philly started to say, "we wish we had him back". While I agree that we need a formidible big man, they just aren't as easy to get as people think. And between you and me, we both have watched Speights, there's a reason he rode the bench. While I sincerely hope/wish they can get rid of both Speights and Iggy (and I am reluctant, but understanding of Lou) I don't think other teams are that hard pressed for any of them. Iggy does have trade value and first and foremost I think they should trade for a scorer of Ellis's caliber if availble, and draft a PF/C. Heck, I really like Kenneth Faried (sp?) from Morehead state. Not that tall, but extremely athletic and can rebound his tail off. That gives us a scorer in Ellis and a quality rebounder. While Dennis Rodman did nothing offensively, he got to the ball when it was up in the air, and I think that Faried would be that way. You and I will just have to respectfully disagree. I am tired of the same ol' same ol' with this team and I think this trade would definitely shake things up for the better! Take it easy man.

Since: Aug 16, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 10:26 pm

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

Did you not watch Game 4 against the Heat? Yeah, the Sixers sucked late in the 4th quarter early in the season but they got a lot better at closing as the season wore on.

The Hawks have the luxury of having Pachulia off the bench. The reason they always fail in the playoffs is because they lack another perimeter player to complement Johnson. They simply don't have a small forward. They also need a point guard, like Lou Williams and I'm sure they would love to get rid of Hinrich's contract. But I'm sure they'll draft a point guard type this year. And adding Iggy gives them a distributor that they've been missing for the last several seasons. Speights is a talented foward, who has played well when he has gotten time and has a lot of potential. The reason he doesn't play is because he makes a lot of mental mistakes, but that will change as he matures.

But in all honesty, we don't even need a star like Horford. A guy like Desagana Diop would even suffice! Just someone who is 7 feet and can rebound. Not very difficult to find.

Since: Jul 23, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 10:01 pm

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

Really? All those games lost in the final 2 minutes were not because they couldn't score, but because they didn't get an offensive rebound? I'll tell you what, your fantasy trade does work, problem's FANTASY! No one wants Speights, and why the heck would Atlanta essentially give up their star center for Iggy, Lou and Speights. You realize that other teams aren't all as stupid as you might think?
And why trade Igoudala at all? He is CLEARLY the centerpiece of a championship team. Just look how he shuts down everyone, especially after his stellar three-pointers. I mean the Sixers might have appeared to have played better when he was injured, but that is just me. What about Iggy for Kobe, or is Kobe too old and scores too much. DWade? Not defensive enough. I agree, let's keep him. I'm glad that our "#1" player is the best player in the NBA and is not worthy of being traded and shouldn't be traded for someone who can score. Let's stay irrelevant and keep him until he retires, cause he is leading the championship charge. Go Iggy, Go Sixers!

Since: Aug 16, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 7:11 pm

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

I'm pretty sure Spencer Hawes is one of, if not the worst, starting center in the NBA. There are a lot of centers out there who are better than him. We lost to Miami and a lot of other better teams because they were always bigger than us, and they would always get a ton of offensive rebounds against us. We simply couldn't match up in the paint with a lot of the contending teams.

And back to this trade, Ellis isn't exactly the greatest player in the league. He had roughly the same points-per-minute as Lou Williams. The reason Ellis scored so much is because he plays a very fast paced offense and played about 40 minutes per game. While he is a better scorer than Williams, which is why he shot about 5% better from the floor, he is just as poor of a decision maker as evidenced by his poor assist/turnover ratio, like Lou Will. In other words, Lou Will is a poor man's Monta Ellis. Adding Ellis doesn't add any new dimension to this team. If anything, it makes it more difficult for all of the other guards to fit in, creating a logjam.

Now here's an Iggy trade that would make more sense:

Since: May 7, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 6:31 pm

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

I was thinking about the same thing when I heard about thus possible trade..........It just doesn't make sense to me @ all!Surprised

Since: Jul 23, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 5:29 pm

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

Okay, for everyone who seems to be just absolutely clueless just answer me this one simple, small, minor question. WHERE THE H*LL ARE WE GETTING A CENTER FROM? There are only a handful of dominant centers. We aren't getting Howard, Shaq is retired, Gasol and Bynum don't seem to be going anywhere, Noah isn't getting traded here, Yao and Oden are always hurt. People keep talking as though, Oh there are 29 centers to choose from in free agency or trading, and there are tons of quality centers in the draft. I know that we don't have quality big men, but how many times during the Heat series, or in the regular season did teams go on 20-2 runs. Not because of the D, but because we have absolutely no go to guy. Sure, even as is I like where the Sixers are headed, but if you can obtain an All-Star caliber shooter for an underachieving player who can defend the hell out of Richard Jefferson, but gets taken to school against (Kobe, Lebron, Melo, Pierce, Ellis...should I continue) then you make that trade! Do some of you even watch basketball, or just watch the local highlights on the 11 o'clock news?

Since: Aug 16, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 2:01 pm

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

Lou Williams made a lot of big shots for this team down the stretch. I'm fine with him as our closer. This team doesn't need any more offense. We need more defense. Our backcourt was fine last year, our frontcourt was not. Can we improve our backcourt? Yeah. But it's not as pressing a need as adding a center is.

Since: Jul 23, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 1:04 pm

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

While I wouldn't want to stifle Turner's growth but did ANYONE realize that Philly has no true scorer right now who can create their own shot? I know that defense wins champions and all, but Iguodala never seems to shut down anyone of substance (LeBron, Kobe...hell, Ellis). Ellis is cheaper and can score, 2 things that the Sixers need. Is it me or did the Sixers seem to player without Iggy when he was out? Just sayin.

Since: Jan 13, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 11:51 am

Trade rumor: Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis?

this is a bad trade for philly. AI helped them reach the playoffs. ellis will have them take a step back. ellis doesn't fit on that team.

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