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Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

Posted on: May 31, 2011 5:13 pm
Edited on: May 31, 2011 6:18 pm
 
Posted by Royce Young



And now for the next installment of the "silly argument that we're having because Scottie Pippen said something." If you missed it or tried to make yourself forget, Pippen said that LeBron James may be a better overall basketball player than Michael Jordan. As a result, there was quite a bit of harumphing and yelling.

LeBron accepted the compliment from Pippen but ultimately disagreed. Well, add in former Chicago teammate Horace Grant as someone that doesn't agree with Pippen. Via Sports Radio Interviews:

“WOW! Pip is my man and you know we will always be close, but I totally disagree.  LeBron is gonna be one of the top players to ever play the game but Michael Jeffrey Jordan, who we bump heads at times is I think in my era the best basketball player to ever play the game.”

Grant was then asked if maybe Pippen was upset with Jordan over something, if there was some unknown grudge that caused the comment.

“(Laughing) I hope not, I don’t think so, but you know to say that somebody, I mean listen, I’m  mean I’m kinda at a loss of words cause Michael Jordan I mean when you win numerous MVPs and you’ve taken the team to six championships and probably could have been eight if he didn’t retire those two years. You know MVP’s and the playoffs and the championships I mean man he made us better, he made believe me, he, myself, Scottie, BJ, even Bill Cartwright who I still love, he made us better players.

"He gave us that confidence, but first we had to earn his trust and once we earned his trust man you know you saw championship after championship and as far as talent wise, that’s no man. Who do you want to take that last shot when three seconds are left in the game? Who do you want the ball in their hands the last 3 seconds? He proved that he can score the last few seconds of a ball game or if he gets double teamed that Steve Kerr or John Paxson are right there so you know I love Scottie, but I totally disagree.

“You know this is a great country we live in. You’re entitled to your opinions but your uhh uhh…[Waddle: YOU'RE WRONG!] Yeah, yeah he’s wrong on this one.”

Grant isn't the only player that's taken up for Jordan (obviously). Kareem Abdul-Jabbar though didn't take up for either, writing an open letter to Pippen that said, "So I would advise you to do a little homework before crowning Michael or LeBron with the title of best ever. As dominant as he is, LeBron has yet to win a championship. I must say that it looks like Miami has finally put the team together that will change that circumstance. It's my hope that today’s players get a better perspective on exactly what has been done in this league in the days of yore."

Days of yore? Really Kareem? And nobody has forgotten Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell. Or you, which is what I think he was really trying to say when he said not to forget about the old guys. It's just eras in basketball are difficult to compare, especially the Russell-Chamberlain era. No need to lecture everyone about basketball history. I don't think anyone has forgotten Wilt, Russell, or you.

This is part of sports and really more part of basketball than any other. We all love to talk and compare and debate. The "who's better?" question is always a fun one. The consensus is that Jordan is the greatest ever. I think Pippen's point was that LeBron was more of the total package, which people kind of ignored, but in the end, it got people talking. Which may have been the whole intention.
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Since: Oct 7, 2009
Posted on: June 12, 2011 3:38 am
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

  Magic has gone on record as stating that Bird is the greatest on the floor....and MJ is the greatest in the air.
  I've heard him say this on a couple of occasions. He's just being diplomatic.
  With Kobe and LeBron, he is being kind and generous to include them near this upper etchelon.

Truth be told, Magic thinks he and Bird are the Greatest.... and they each made the other greater.



Since: Apr 8, 2010
Posted on: June 2, 2011 1:16 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

I understand where you're coming from with this but I still think Pippen was totally off his rocker.  You know that calling MJ the best scorer of all-time just eats at his grill!!  He is the most fierce competitor we have ever seen, to the point that at his HOF speech, you could tell he wasn't ready to "call it a career."  He still called out every player that he ever showed up on the court at his HOF speech.  Yes he came off sounding like a jackazz but that the fierce competiiveness that drove he and the Bulls to success.  Calling him just a great scorer is a total insult.  This love for LBJ for his size and athletic ability and all this fluff is like calling Anna Kournikova maybe the best all around tennis player ever because of how hot and beautiful she is, yet she never won a tournement.



Since: Nov 25, 2007
Posted on: June 1, 2011 9:31 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

They are similar in a lot of ways, but the one thing that Jordan had that Lebron doesn't is heart and like athletic ability it isn't something learned. You are born with it. Athletically they are similar, but Jordan was a notch above anyone I've seen play basketball. The only thing Lebron does a little better than Jordan is rebound and that is just because a little bigger. Passing the ball they are about the same, but Jordan was a much better shooter. Lebron has a long way to go in his game before he can even be considered man enough to carry the jocks of players like Jordan and Bird.

I wouldn't put all that much stock into how many titles James may or may not win to say he may be one of the best ever for a reason. He had a chance to build his own legacy in front of his own town and instead jump shipped for an easier chance a titles. You can't even say that James is better than Wade and the fact that he left to go to another team with a legit hall of fame caliber type of player means he is riding the coat tails of another player and will always be viewed as such. I would much rather have Wade take the last shot than Lebron anyday. Would you say that about anyone over Jordan? I also doubt Jordan would have ever jumped over to the Celtics to play along side Bird or Magic with the Lakers during his era because they couldn't win on their own.

Another way to look at it is... Ask yourself who is the best player today. You'll get answers ranging from Kobe to James to Durant and others. During the late 80s to late 90s the answer was always Jordan.    

Pippen was a very good player, but without Jordan I doubt he ever wins a ring by himself or ends up in the hall. He has Jordan to thank for that. That's just my IMO.   

It all comes down to heart and the will to win. Jordan probably would have pushed his mother to the floor and then dunked on his grandmother for a chance to win the game.

     




Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: June 1, 2011 7:47 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

docconan your analysis of this as manufactured is SPOT ON!   


BUT...don't sell Lebron short RIGHT NOW...TODAY....not just in the future.

Someone below wrote this, and AGAIN, its "SPOT ON" 

"Is Lebron better than Jordan...let's see. When Jordan left 2 years to play baseball, the Bulls won 50 and 54 games. Both years they went to the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals. In 93' they lost to the eventual NBA finalist NY Knicks in 7 games. Cleveland's first year after Lebron leaves - DEAD LAST IN THE NBA...CASE CLOSED!!"

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Now I don't agree he's better, he could break a leg and never fini$h out thi$ Journey.....But I've never seen this package in my lifetime.  

Shawn Kemp with a better Jumper, off the dribble, defen$ive game, and Ba$ketball IQ.
 

  
  



      
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Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: June 1, 2011 7:37 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

Bellasonne....Magic Does not Agree with you.



Since: Oct 24, 2006
Posted on: June 1, 2011 6:59 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

LeBron is a freak of nature -- a big man with speed, good skills around the rim. As a big man he can board (nothing special there). The assist totals are inflated (and I think assists are overrated anyway, with the exception of a great pass that leads to a dunk or easy score... remember, the shooter has to make the shot to make it an assist... if you want a better stat, go with "assist situations created"). He can make the freak shot and he is a decent shooter... but he certainly is not a great shooter. He's not made a ton of game-winning shots (though in his defense, you have to be in situations to do it to be able to do it...).

Jordan was a great, great player. Maybe the best ever. In terms of overall court game and innate basketball skills, Kobe Bryant is (or was before his knee went out...) better than LeBron. Phil Jackson once said that Kobe has a better court game than Jordan. I don't know about that... but if we're looking at players of the past decade who can hang with Jordan, I think it's Kobe. Hits the game winning shot? check. Great on-ball defender? check. Very good handle and decent passer? Check. Basketball IQ? check. Heart? check. The shame is that Kobe has just the one MVP, when he should really have three or four by now. But he does have five rings, and winners care about winning... not MVPs. MVP is a popularity contest, which I think hurt Kobe.




Since: Sep 15, 2009
Posted on: June 1, 2011 5:15 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

Outstanding post.  You are 100% correct with everything you said.



Since: Jul 24, 2009
Posted on: June 1, 2011 4:58 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

   Magic was a 6'9" point guard that made incredible passes and played all 5 positions well. His smile and play would usually take over a game. Russell had ungodly amounts of rebounds and defensive stops (all being only 6'9"). Doc brought the greatest dunks - a better and more stylish dunker than all of them. Wilt brought a 6'2" proportions to a 7'1" frame and even led the league in assists along with his many scoring titles. MacHale brought a long long dimensions to go onto his 6'11" frame, and tangled up opponents. Bird had the greatest basketball mind and brought everyone up to higher levels of play.  Playing with either hand, he could take over a game with his white hot scoring, rebound positioning, unreal passing - all the while trashing you with intimidating talk. Kareem had the sky hook. And Jordon had the most indomitable will the sport has ever seen - by a long shot.
   What unnique qualities has LeBron brought? He is a great physical specimen who does many things well. Nothing really unique and extra special here.
    Just for a moment - imagine him playing against Jordon....or Magic...or Bird. He doesn't measure up to these three does he?



Since: May 15, 2011
Posted on: June 1, 2011 4:52 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

How many rings does "the King" have.  NONE.  That's why he wants one so desperately.  King?  Burger King perhaps.  Jordan was God.  Grant was right on.  Jordan made everyone around him better.

To the genius who tried to compare the futility of Cleveland this year to how well the Bulls did during Jordan's 2 year baseball career proving Lebron is better than Jordan------That's funny.  The 2010-2011 have three returners, and one of them is 38.  No way is that a viable comparison.  



Since: Dec 26, 2006
Posted on: June 1, 2011 4:41 pm
 

Horace Grant to Scottie Pippen: You're wrong

"Is Lebron better than Jordan...let's see. When Jordan left 2 years to play baseball, the Bulls won 50 and 54 games. Both years they went to the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals. In 93' they lost to the eventual NBA finalist NY Knicks in 7 games. Cleveland's first year after Lebron leaves - DEAD LAST IN THE NBA...CASE CLOSED!!"

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