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Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

Posted on: March 16, 2011 3:30 pm
Edited on: March 16, 2011 3:37 pm
 
Posted by Matt Moore

ESPN's 30 for 30 documentary series premiered their episode on the Michigan "Fab 5" last weekend to critical acclaim. In it, producer and Fab Five member Jalen Rose spoke about Grant Hill and in doing so said that when he was in college he felt that black players who played for Duke were "Uncle Toms." 

OK.

That was supplemented by former Wolverine Jimmy King saying "I thought Grant Hill was a bitch ." 

Well, then...

So today Grant Hill responded with an editorial in the New York Times
My mother always says, “You can live without Chaucer and you can live without calculus, but you cannot make it in the wide, wide world without common sense.” As we get older, we understand the importance of these words. Adulthood is nothing but a series of choices: you can say yes or no, but you cannot avoid saying one or the other. In the end, those who are successful are those who adjust and adapt to the decisions they have made and make the best of them.

I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped them back then for their appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons.

I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.
via Grant Hill's Response to Jalen Rose - NYTimes.com .

This issue has sparked conversations about race, the perceptions of collegiate programs at both Duke and Michigan, the imtemperance of youth, and some bad Jay-Z jokes . This blog is not the place for it, nor is the author qualified to speak on the matter. But at least the discussion is being held. Some interesting notes:
  • Hill notes that Jalen Rose contacted him via Twitter before the airing of the documentary to apologize. 
  • Rose's comments were in relation to how he felt in college, and he has clarified since that he does not feel that way now, but Hill's commentary is held as if the perceptions are long-standing.
Category: NBA
Comments

Since: Mar 21, 2011
Posted on: March 21, 2011 9:27 am
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

I took the documentary as how the players felt when they were in college, not as adults who have experienced more life!  I actually thought about what they said, and the context of when and how they said it.



Since: Oct 27, 2008
Posted on: March 19, 2011 10:00 pm
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

Most of you folks have missed the point.  For better or for worse the Fab Five did change Basketball.  They are the reson why apparel giants like addidas, Nike and Reebok have deals with colleges all across the country.  They were the only school to start 5 freshmen and make it to the final four.  I played basketball during their era and remember the swagger that these guys brought to the game.   Lot's of people hate Duke.  The fact that they have been able to recruit 2 to 3 All Americans every year is enought to get you upset if your not a Duke alum.  Unless you are a Duke alum, most folks in North Carolina consider Duke students to be previlidged rich kids.  People in Carolina hate Duke.

For those of you that have seen a documentary before.  The documentary is not a fictional drama.  It is about real events and gives you a glimpse into the point of view of those who lived through those events.  Thjose guys admitted their youthful ignorance.  Who isn't close minded when they are 18 years old? 

Grant Hill has every right to feel proud about his accomplishments and his University.  But the rest of America, outside of Raliegh-Durham , also has the right to dislike him and his school.  I know I did.



Since: Nov 9, 2009
Posted on: March 19, 2011 4:34 pm
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

These guys didnt win anything so i dont even know why they are being talked about



Since: Mar 17, 2011
Posted on: March 19, 2011 3:30 pm
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

The fab 5 may have never won but they were good they changed basketball and they did do alot. I do like grant hills last part And i am proud i never lost a game against the fab five.



Since: Mar 18, 2011
Posted on: March 19, 2011 1:28 pm
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

Get the story straight people.  Jalen Rose DID NOT call Grant Hill a b****.  Jimmy King did.  Rose called Christian Lattener a B**** and a P****.  He then said "however when I stepped on the court with him(Lattener) I realized he had game."  Rose also admitted he was jealous of Grant Hill but at no point did he trash Hill or his family.  He complimented them!!!!  Clearly many of these commenting did not actually see the documentary.  Now the Uncle Tom comment is another story.  Rose did refer to Duke's black players as " Uncle Toms" and did not back down from that comment. Love or hate the Fab 5 I doubt you will ever see 5 freshman lead a team to a national title game again.  I also doubt you will see 5 soph's do it back to back either.  Overrated!!!  Rose, Howard, jackson and King led the team to 2 final fours and 1 regional final (elite 8) in three years (Webber went pro after 2 seasons).  They did not win the championship but the team consistently was one of the top teams in the country during that time span.  The main reason they never won a title was due to COACHING!!!  Add a coach that was more of a strategist than a recruiter and they win at least 1 National Title.  Just add Michigan to the list of highly talented teams that never won due to coaching.  They can join the Houston Cougars and Phi Slamma Jamma, the Syracuse teams of the 80's, Depaul with Ray Meyer,Lefty Dresell's Maryland teams, and the Illinois teams under Lou Henson that just never won it all. All of those teams coaches were great assemblers of talent and won a ton of games but not the best when it came to crunch time.   Until 5 freshmen pull off what the Fab 5 did....with little support from alumni and the media I would hold off on the overrated and fraud comments!!!!  I also beleive some of the criticism of the Fab 5 is racially motivated.  Similary to the way John Thompson's Georgetown teams and the Tark's UNLV teams were hammered in the media.  If the Fab 5 had a few white cats they would be remembered differently.



Since: Oct 17, 2009
Posted on: March 18, 2011 3:34 pm
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

So typical of past players that do not reach their own hype. The "Flub Five" were a joke. They, as a whole, broke NCAA rules and did not achieve their self proclaimed stardom. HMM sounds like some other big mouthed, premature celebratory, idiots from Miami in the pros. Remember people, if you dont achieve what you set out to do; just blame others and cast dispersions upon them. I am not a Duke fan, actually the farthest thing from it. I respect their program and the quality of people the program year after year seems to produce. Oh, by thre way, if I was a coach of a team, I would not weant those "wanna be gangsta's" on my team either. Wake up "flub five"; if you want the best things in life and to be treated as normal, then act as a intelligent person. This goes for all those wanna be cry babies,(of any race), that claim they did not get the same opportunities. To all of the flub five, the reason you were not recruited by teams like Duke was not your upbringing, not your race, and not your economical status. It was the same BS attitude that emmitted from you on your sub par show.

 Congrats Mr Hill, you are a person that all people should be proud of and do not take the shots from these egotistical sub-expectation performers to heart.



Since: Jan 23, 2008
Posted on: March 18, 2011 7:25 am
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

For what's it worth, I'm pretty sure if you looked up "Uncle Tom" in the Dictionary,  there would be a picture of Grant Hill...
I'm pretty sure if I looked you up in the toilet bowl I'd see my last dump.  Unfortunately my poo has more value than your ignorance though.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: March 18, 2011 5:53 am
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

What did they accomplish as an overhyped group that was worthy of a documentary 20 years later?

You must be over 70 or under 25 to even make a statement like that. The Fab Five changed college basketball like nothing has since, even without a championship. The way they dress, the way the teams are marketed, the demographics they aim for, all of these things still have the Fab Fives fingerprints all over them.


As far as Grant Hill, the guy is as classy as they come and he did not deserve to be spoke about in such a defaming manner. But these guys were giving brutal honesty about themsleves in this doc and that had to be included. I though Rose did a good job of expressing regret towards those feelings, King did not.

The reaction by some on this board shows exactly the sentiment portrayed in the documentary. The demographic the Fab Five came from at that point in their lives, is still the most misunderstood group of people in this country. That really isn't their fault, it is your fault from not trying to put yourself in other people's shoes. I don't know, maybe some people just don't posess that ability, it's ashame because it is one of the greatest abilities mankind has ever developed.

I thought the film was fantastic and overall it has a pretty good buzz from what I am hearing. I did think Hill's rebuttal was appropriate and spot on however, towards the comments made about him.




Since: Dec 14, 2006
Posted on: March 17, 2011 10:31 am
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

You sir, are absolutely correct! It amazes me that people are acting like they were the only college recruited B-ball players to ever feel or say that they felt that way about Duke! It's no secret that these thoughts have been held and expressed by many people aroud the country who come from where they came from.  




Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: March 17, 2011 3:01 am
 

Grant Hill responds to 'Fab 5' comments

Why would ESPN waste their time on a documentary about a bunch of losers who disgraced their University so badly, they willingly forfeited every game these clowns played in?

What did they accomplish as an overhyped group that was worthy of a documentary 20 years later?

Perhaps Duke never recruited any of them because they believe that character matters.



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