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Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

Posted on: February 23, 2011 6:07 pm
Edited on: February 23, 2011 6:07 pm
Carmelo Anthony joins Amar'e Stoudemire in New York. Thing is, that's becoming for a while, and we know that because... Amar'e told us so.
Posted by Matt Moore

On July 4th, 2010, Amar'e Stoudemire, before he signed with the New York Knicks, spoke to reporters outside of a Broadway show he was catching during his visit with the Knicks. It should have been a simple quote. "Excited to look at my options, happy to visit New York, it's a great city, blah blah blah." Instead, Amar're dropped this. 

"I've talked to Carmelo Anthony that he needs to come out here," Stoudemire said. "I've talked to Tony Parker. Both guys are ready to join me if I decide to come here. So we will see if we can work it out."

This got slipped by national media because it was July, in the NBA, July 4th, a holiday, and because everyone in sports media was focused on LeBron James and anything he would do.  And hey, it was crazy. When would multiple All-Stars ever team up, right? Right?

You know the punchline, there. 

But as we stand here nearly eight months later, you've got to look at this. You have an All-Star, before he signed with the Knicks, telling another All-Star who is under contract with another team that he needs to come out and join him on the Knicks. Eight months later, Anthony forces a trade to the Knicks. 

Tampering and collusion have been hot topics in the NBA since the Heat formed this summer. The Cavs considered a lawsuit againt the Heat for tampering with LeBron. And the league had to comment on the issue of collusion this summer, saying they would not get involved. But in the reflection of the Melo deal, the question has to be asked. 

Was how the Melo acquisition occurred within the peramters of NBA policy?

There is Stoudemire, on record, during conversations with the Knicks, openly stating he is lobbying for Anthony to join him. From that moment on, the Anthony-to-New-York talk snowballed into a frenzy, then caught fire and threatened to swallow us whole in a black mass of hype, suffocating us beyond all... sorry. It was  arough few months. Nonetheless, we can trace back what we saw at the introductory press conference for Melo as a Knick back to this comment in July, which garnered little scrutiny. It's time for people to take notice. These events are not occuring organically, they're not being conducted in good faith. Players have their agendas, and the teams involved may or may not have been involved in the influence of one player upon another.  This isn't to say New York was behind Amar'e's comments to Melo, there's absolutely no proof of that.

But we do see this. 
1. Player A talks to New York in free agency.

2. Player A tells media he's called Player B, who's under contract with another team, and tells him to join him in New York. 

3. Player A signs with New York.

4. Player B has representatives leak to media that he wants to be traded and New York is his only option due to his leverage with his upcoming free agency.

5. Player A says he has not talked to Player B about the situation, suspiciously. 

6. Player B is traded to New York.

That's a pretty suspicious line of events for nothing to have gone on. Players are not being slick with this at this point, because the league has made it clear it's not going to get involved in such discussions. But in the interest of competitive fairness, it has an obligation to its owners in these markets who are now bleeding All-Stars toward New York to ensure that everything is being conducted within the confines of NBA policy.

This isn't to say there's anything wrong with allowing it. It's every player's right to want to work where they want to, and their right to talk to whomever they wish. As long as the teams aren't involved, there's nothing wrong with allowing this kind of thing. But in that instance, the league needs to make a statement that there's no problem with players impacting players currently under contact.  Amar'e wasn't a Knick yet, so there's a possibility he could have wound up somewhere else had talks gone differently. But they didn't, and he is. And now so's Melo. 

For the fans of the other 23 teams outside of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, and Miami, you have to wonder if there's something amiss in how things are being handled. 

Since: Sep 27, 2010
Posted on: February 24, 2011 2:12 pm

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

Players are allowed to talk to other players all they want.  That is why Amare called anthony during this season to tell him he wanted to play with him.  A player can recruit another player while he is under contract with another team all they want.  Who is going to stop two friends from trying to play together.  If a team gets involved and talks to another team's player that is tampering.

Since: Dec 26, 2006
Posted on: February 24, 2011 11:01 am

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

The NBA shares revenue, and they have a firm salary cap.  So this poses two questions, one: is Carmelo more valuable to the league in Denver or NY?  Didn't the Nuggets offer him the same contract extension he eventually signed as a Knick?  The answer to those questions is both yes and yes.  Small market teams exist on the backs of their larger market brethren.  So ultimately, this a net plus from a pueely economical point for the NBA and the Knicks.  Although I'm sure the fans won't see it that way.  This is the way the NBA has always worked (don't you remember Shaq bolting out of Orlando for the Lakers 15 years ago?) 

I'm always fascinated by the outrage that pours in from fans when a player leaves a team of his own will.  Usually, because we don't make the same bally-hoo when a player is cut or traded by the team (see Donovan McNabb, Kevin Garnett, etc.)  The reason that it makes no sense to me is, aren't we fans of the team, not the player?  I mean, isn't it the team that truly owes us a quality product? 

I live in southern PA and am a huge Yankees fan, so we get down to Balitmore to see them play the O's at least once a year.  The fans there always have the same gripe: "the Yankees buy championship".   As if the Yankees are the real reason the O's have been terrible since Ripkin retired.  All that extra money the Yankees share, goes right into the pocket of Peter Angelos.  He's got more than enough money to put back into his franchise to make them competitive, yet he instead puts it right in his pocket.  And his fans blame the Yanks for their teams failures.  Somebody ask Angelos how much tickets to the Yankees go for and compare that to a Royals game.

The point of all of this is simple: There is no loyalty in sports!  Not from the players and not from the owners. 

Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: February 24, 2011 10:14 am

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

What can they possibly do? How can the NBA possibly say anything about this with what happened in Miami in the offseason. It would be hipocritical of them. 

Since: Feb 24, 2011
Posted on: February 24, 2011 7:57 am

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

If you cannot punctuate or use prope syntax, you have no place calling a person out on incorrect spelling.

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: February 24, 2011 1:27 am

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

The NBA is all parody and no parity.

Since: Mar 21, 2010
Posted on: February 23, 2011 11:42 pm

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

How dumb are you?  What he said was facts.  If you substitute Chris Paul it'll be dead accurate.  Unless the francise tag is agreed upon of course.

@NY Hater!!! 02/23/2011 10:54p.m. First, and foremost your name says all I need to know about you, so you would take anything negatively said about New York as Gospel. Secondly, I am not as dumb as you are. At least I can spell the word "franchise" which is more than I can say for your dumb ass. Thirdly, Carmelo Anthony looks so much better in a Knicks jersey than he ever did in a Nuggets jersey Laughing. Finally, good luck on getting another "franchise" player to play for your team in the near future. I am sure that will be another decade before that happens. Ha! Eat it you tool.

Since: Feb 21, 2011
Posted on: February 23, 2011 11:06 pm

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

Actually, the last time the Knicks made the playoffs was in 2004 which is certainly well within this decade

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: February 23, 2011 10:54 pm

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

Sorry Matt Moore, I mean Writer A, but your theory about collusion by Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire is completely flawed & baseless and has zero credibility.
Spoken like a ignorant Knicks fan.

So since Parker resigned with San Antonio his theory has no base?  How dumb are you?  What he said was facts.  If you substitute Chris Paul it'll be dead accurate.  Unless the francise tag is agreed upon of course.
Just be glad you finally made the playoffs this decade. 

Since: Feb 21, 2011
Posted on: February 23, 2011 9:15 pm

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

We can talk about collusion and big market teams versus small market teams and make comparisons to college basketball but the only difference between the NBA and College is the MONEY and then that isnt even totally true. You dont think college teams bring in MILLIONS of dollars off of these high school kids when they join their programs and play ball? PLEASE! Look at the NBA and the Lakers, Heat, Celtics, Knicks, Bulls then you compare that to college and your North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Syracuse, etc.... You dont think those are the BIG NAMED schools in college that have the TOP recruiting classes every year and win the championships and compete EVERY YEAR. The same holds true for the NBA. Its have always been that way and it will always be that way. People want to play for the big named schools and the big market teams. PERIOD

Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: February 23, 2011 8:11 pm

Melo Trade: Is there a case for collusion?

 The NBA has always been about protecting its' big TV markets.  The draft lottery was devised to get Patrick Ewing in a New York uniform.  The small market teams are to give the big market teams someone to beat.  Kinda like the Globe Trotters and the Generals.  The league is a fraud.

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